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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Traster »

krzyk wrote: post #520
saynay wrote: post #324

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The OP is incorrect, but in the opposite direction than you are thinking. The monthly subscription is optional (it gets you 4k streaming, instead of 1080p, and discounts / free games similar to Playstation Plus or similar). You do have to buy the games. So yeah, if they discontinue Stadia it is an open question what happens to the games you purchased on it. They have avoided questions on it, unsurprisingly.

Subscription gets you "up to" 4k, right now none of the titles is true 4k, they are upscaled from lower resolution 1080p or 1440p.

Upscaled on the device you already paid for, yet somehow need a subscription to use the upscaling.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by asymptotically2 »

PeterisP wrote: post #531
NotATroll wrote: post #385

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This is the thing I don't get. Who precisely is this concept even marketable to? People with high speed internet, that also can't afford a gaming console? But can afford a device capable of handling all of the inputs & playback of the video. So lets low ball and say a $140 chromebook. + the cost of the games. How many people is this? Genuinely.

I'm not sure if this is a big enough market, but system exclusive games would be a reasonable cause. For example, a gamer playing on PC and/or XBox might want to play Horizon Zero Dawn for some time, but not buy a PS4 just for one game. Or some Nintendo exclusive game. Most people don't have all gaming consoles available, and exclusives are (IMHO sadly) a thing, and this might be a reasonable workaround to provide co…

How would a Sony or Nintendo exclusive be on Stadia?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by krzyk »

headmelted wrote: post #259
macspoofing wrote: post #223

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Where? Who else is doing this type of cloud gaming?

Onlive (deceased). Microsoft (xCloud). Free until it’s stable. Nvidia (GeForce NOW). Free until it’s stable. Sony (PlayStation Now). .. Seriously dude where’ve you been?

And you can add others like Shadow, or you could roll your own using Parsec or Moonlight + a cloud provider like Paperspace or AWS (or even Google cloud).

What is important in case of Shadow, GeForce Now and roll you own, that you buy a PC game that you can access on any PC, not just using a single service (like Stadia, or xCloud).

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by swinglock »

bandrami wrote: post #443
swinglock wrote: post #94

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Maybe not, routers could have serial interfaces back in the day. They were way slow. Maybe they even ran frame relay.

Pretty sure routers still have serial interfaces today, for when everything goes to shit.

They don't. I'm not talking about console ports but interfaces for forwarding.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by inetknght »

joshuamorton wrote: post #522
inetknght wrote: post #515

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> The problem is that spam can't be "solved". Reputation is easy to solve: only accept email from a known list of good senders. Gmail, Yahoo, MailChimp (or not), etc. But that makes people on HN complain. So your have to try and infer reputation of mailservers on shared hosts. And spammers are always trying to beat you, and there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of spam outfits. Af they're sneaky. They try to u…

> If the sender isn't authentic, then the sender is spam. What's your definition of authentic? Is a self-hosted email server authentic? How do you decide? > If the user reports the sender as spam, then don't permit the sender to send more messages to the person who complained. If 10000 yahoo accounts are sending spam emails to other websites, what do you do? Block all yahoo senders? Try to block the yahoo accounts as…

> What's your definition of authentic? Is a self-hosted email server authentic? How do you decide?

Authentic in terms of DNS. That means using and enforcing DKIM at the minimum.

Also in terms of from: and reply-to: addresses matching each other.

> If 10000 yahoo accounts are sending spam emails to other websites, what do you do? Block all yahoo senders? Try to block the yahoo accounts as they appear?

If 10000 yahoo accounts are sending spam emails, then that's a Yahoo problem. Yes, I would refuse to accept incoming mail from @yahoo.com until they've fixed their complicity.

> All major ISPs host spammers. Often they don't know that they do.

I disagree about not knowing that they do. ISPs must respond to fraud and abuse reports or they would lose the ability to do business. ISPs not responding to spam reports are offloading the cost of policing their users onto you.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by xyst »

Haven’t tried Stadia, but I imagine the input lag problem is not resolved. FPS games will likely be unplayable.

I tried Steams version which steams a video from your gaming pc to another pc on local host and the input lag is still noticeable

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by laurentlb »

specialp wrote: post #316
gowld wrote: post #137

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How much trust in longevity do you need to be willing to play a rented video game? > Even when they come out and claim that this product will not be cancelled, When has this happened? Has Google broken its contracts?

I suppose buying a $130 box that no longer works AT ALL because the cloud backing it and providing all of the functionality is gone isn't a reason to want longevity? It would be like buying a mobile phone locked to one network that fails. If Google were giving this away for free and charging monthly I'd agree. Welp service down, no more $10 a month from me, moving along.

The $130 box gives you a controller and a Chromecast Ultra. You can use both of the outside of Stadia.

They are also optional: you'll be able to play on Stadia without the controller and without the Chromecast (e.g. on a computer with mouse and keyboard).

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by dimino »

dageshi wrote: post #476
dimino wrote: post #158

So like, what is the counterargument? Google keeps projects alive that drain resources for longer? I guess I don't understand what people want here.

It's the daily hate on google thread. It doesn't really matter what specifically google is or isn't doing you'll see the same litany of complaints repeated over and over. HN has become painful in that regard.

There's a certain old-guard zealotry that's a common thread on HN, amplified by the echo chamber.

Can't wait until it dies off.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by abhink »

ddtaylor wrote: post #229
gameswithgo wrote: post #199

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> Google is trying something really innovative This kind of thing has been around for nearly 10 years.

Yup. OnLive tried it with similar results. There are many markets where 10ms - 20ms latency doesn't matter that much, but realtime gaming isn't one of them. It's extremely disorienting to play a game with even the slightest framebuffer lag.

After playing it for about 5-8 hours in the last 2 days, I'd say for a casual gamer like me, there is no perceptible latency. Even in an FPS like Destiny. But again, yesterday was the first time I played a AAA game after two years so maybe I'm just a bit rusty.
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