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Setting up a mail server isn't difficult. It's about as easy as installing and configuring a web server, and just about as technical. Email has been around for decades. The fact that Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, and many paid services have had one-click email addresses for twenty-plus years should demonstrate that it's not difficult . Businesses just don't want to make it easy for lay people to do it.
Unless email servers have gotten a lot more turnkey in the last few years, I'm gonna disagree with this, sorry. :) I can get nginx running on most systems with literally a couple commands ("package-manager-thing install nginx" and "service-manager-thing start nginx"). Getting a mail server running -- at least in any form that qualifies as "Gmail replacement" -- seems to involve "install postfix, immediately edit the…
When will Google shut down Stadia?
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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?
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But these are all things where Google was late to the game and didn't succeed in taking someone's crown. So it's an interesting question: How does Google failing at some product that isn't already a well established concept impact the consumer's sentiment towards the idea behind it.
FWIW Google had orkut long before facebook became a success and moved out of colleges. Google had gtalk long before WhatsApp was conceived.
Orkut was pretty much killed in the English speaking world by the Brazilian Portuguese speakers which took over any group which was created. They pushed every photography, climbing and Linux group to the point where, as a non-Portuguese speaker, the site became way more noise than signal. You could flash a group as being for a specific language, but it wasn't enforced when someone violated this. Orkut admins ignored complaints and the malfeasanant posters rebutted with something which might translated to "who's going to make me?"
So, it became a useless site because there were no teeth to the rules.
Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?
#513Honestly, as soon as Google announces a new product, my first thought is to wonder how long until it is shut down. Google has completely lost my trust in relying on any of their products. Even when they come out and claim that this product will not be cancelled, for reals this time, pinky promise, etc. I simply can't believe them.
I feel exactly the same way. Why on earth would I invest any time or money into a product only to have it disappear out from under me?
Lately I find myself putting more and more energy into preparing for my eventual departure from all things Google.
Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?
#514Consider Stadia for what it is: it's someone gaming the system (if you pardon the pun) to become a VP. Once that position is secure, and once all the rest of top brass on the project is promoted, it will begin its inexorable march towards shutdown. So I give it a couple of years. The only way of avoiding this fate is if it gets viral and Google starts making at least a billion a year on it (their official threshold for caring about a business), chances of which seem infinitesimally slim.
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> The services you mention all have entire large teams devoted to tackling spam, reputation, uptime, etc. Can you provide specific numbers to the count of people devoted to tackling spam, reputation, uptime, etc? I suspect the number's a lot smaller than you think. I also suspect the peoples' duties are less devoted than you think. If Google, for example, truly worked to tackle spam then it wouldn't have a spam probl…
I work with these teams at Google. There are teams that actively (and solely) work on spam and abuse detection. They're larger than you seem to believe, though I won't give exact numbers. There's also obviously sre teams that maintain uptime. (Note I said teams, and there's a public approximate minimum size for an are team at Google of 8-12 people) The problem is that spam can't be "solved". Reputation is easy to sol…
> The problem is that spam can't be "solved". Reputation is easy to solve: only accept email from a known list of good senders. Gmail, Yahoo, MailChimp (or not), etc. But that makes people on HN complain. So your have to try and infer reputation of mailservers on shared hosts. And spammers are always trying to beat you, and there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of spam outfits. Af they're sneaky. They try to use awa or gcp to send email, or even send spam from Gmail, prevent trickier things. So you're left to defend from a spam campaign from Yahoo while also trying to not block everyone at Yahoo, and detect the spammers who are using Gmail to spam Yahoo too.
Spam absolutely can be solved.
1) enforce identity. If the sender isn't authentic, then the sender is spam.
2) enforce reportability. If the user reports the sender as spam, then don't permit the sender to send more messages to the person who complained. if a lot of people report the problem, then block the sender.
3) enforce liability. if an ISP hosts spammers, then block the ISP.
If someone complains then walk them through the process. Just like people shouldn't drive vehicles without understanding that vehicles are dangerous, the same should be done with computers.
Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?
#516I have zero interest in Stadia personally and I would consider myself a gamer. I just feel like I want less latency and video over internet doesn't seem like it's going to catch up with a 4-6ft video cable direct to my monitor / TV. If Stadia is successful I can see it being a way to pay for new data centers for Google's cloud infrastructure. If you consider that most consoles last a 4-5 years, they cost ~$299-500 ov…
> If you consider that most consoles last a 4-5 years
That was the case decades ago when technology was advancing fast. The last couple of generations are more like 7 years and future generations will probably last even longer.
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When people say this, what exactly does this mean? If you break Google up into Gmail, Search, Calendar, etc... what stops those from within, who have intimate knowledge of the innerworkings and HR related matters within Alphabet as a whole, from simply secretly colluding and sharing resources off the books?
I’ve asked this question an bunch of times and never got a serious reply. There’s no strong anti-trust angle or end game to these things, it’s purely vindictive because it’s trendy to hate on SV. Sometimes companies are shitty but it doesn’t justify such a strong hammer. If anything their search products or mobile products would themselves need to be broken up, (or FBs network and Instagram) not the whole company...…
So I don't necessarily support it, and I agree a lot of technical people just hate SV and have no idea what it'd mean, but as a developer I can see some benefits.
Here's an example from Apple:
Only Apple Maps can show you maps on a locked screen.
Until iOS 13 Siri tightly integrated with Apple Music ways no other app could.
Apple Pay is the only payment method that can work with a locked phone.
Only Apple's app store can install apps.
Only Apple's messaging apps can create new contacts.
All built-in apps only call other Apple apps for supporting functionality, for example Reminders will only open Apple Maps, Siri smart suggestions for ETA only work with Apple Maps as well.
All Apple apps get an immense head start of integrating with new APIs and OS features.
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So if you create a competitor to one of those Apple apps, from day 1 you're at a disadvantage.
If they were broken up, all competitors would be on a much more even playing field with Apple's apps.
And Apple is just an easy example, Android is much more open than iOS, but Google Play Services is still a guillotine over anyone who dares to go against Google's wishes.
Imagine if Google services were separate companies so a claimed misdeed on one couldn't end what is the core of billions of people's online existence...
Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?
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So what? Products improve. This one will too. Imagine seeing an ad on Youtube and immediately being able to play the game on your chromebook. I don't know that's what is going to happen and it can't work today, but maybe in a few years.
That's such a slippery argument. You can always underdeliver as long as you promise that 'products improve. This one will too'. How about I don't pay the monthly subscription/for the controller and tell Google that "payments improve. Mine will too"? I'm obviously salty because I preordered Stadia (against my better judgement) and it's terrible.
What’s terrible about it?
Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?
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> "...it costs money, the service costs a monthly fee, and on top of it you have to buy the games." WHAT? I've been under a rock and I assumed that it was a service where you buy a controller, already own a streaming device (or maybe the controller has the device in it), and pay monthly for the whole service. You have to buy the games too? That is an immediate about-face for me. If they shut down the service then I j…
The OP is incorrect, but in the opposite direction than you are thinking. The monthly subscription is optional (it gets you 4k streaming, instead of 1080p, and discounts / free games similar to Playstation Plus or similar). You do have to buy the games. So yeah, if they discontinue Stadia it is an open question what happens to the games you purchased on it. They have avoided questions on it, unsurprisingly.
Subscription gets you "up to" 4k, right now none of the titles is true 4k, they are upscaled from lower resolution 1080p or 1440p.