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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I don't know how well they perform, but I remember hearing about these https://www.canlessair.com/

100 bucks??

you can find equivalents on amazon for $20-30. imo for $110 this thing better create a hurricane when turned on

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I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

I have 2017 13" and am quite happy as well. Hardware wise, only bigger downside is the cooling. The laptop can't do much work otherwise it starts to get really noisy and then slow after a while. Overall the worst part is definitely the crappy OS. Not that there is any really good one out there.

why are you buying apple laptops if you don’t like the OS? you can buy equivalent windows laptops and not have to pay the macos tax. the entire reason to buy a mac is because of the OS

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That's what I'm replacing with the 16" now. I work with external displays and the Intel Iris is the weak link for me. Other than that I've been really happy with the 2015 13"!

Speaking of macs and external monitors: I continue to enjoy my 2012 mbp 15r, but gave up on non-mac external monitors years ago, because of text blurriness. Is this a solved problem?

I have been using macs with external monitors for years without a problem with the text being blurry. if you mean the DPI isn’t as high then it really depends on the monitor. if you buy a 4k then it is almost equivalent in DPI.

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I'm a power user and I'm really surprised you looked at this release as "just" fixing the keyboard. I'm more excited about this release than any other macbook release in the past 3 years. Increased base hd size, new graphics card with performance that stomps the previous model, more available RAM, the largest battery legally possible on a laptop, and a larger screen in the same form factor as the previous 15 inch mod…

The keyboard is the “only” thing that matters for someone that bought a computer about a year ago, so yeah. 64GB of RAM and 8TB of SSD are great, that’s why I have a desktop computer with those specs for half the price. I love big screens too, which is why I have an actual big monitor on my desktop, not “big considering the form factor it’s in”. Getting those specs on the MacBook Pro puts you into the $6K territory,…

you bought a machine a year ago, so why not wait until they inevitably release it in the macbook line and buy one of those. this is your ultraportable “trashbook” line you’re looking for.

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I agree! That's why my point was that if you compare the new 16 inch to the previous 15 inch, at the same starting price points -- they aren't all that different. The difference does indeed grow quite large as you reach exorbitant price points. The old 15.4 inch at $2699.00 (vs. 16 inch at $2399) was also 512GB, 16GB RAM, and 2.6GHz. This is absolutely a modest perf bump -- however it really sucks if you feel like yo…

There are probably a lot of people who can and do pay for upgraded machines, and for them 64 GB of RAM or an 8 TB SSD might be reasonable. (OK, I'm not so sure about the 8 TB storage tier…but there are probably a number of people who'd like the higher capacities.)

I’m very happy about the 8tb. itunes media has proper bitrates (looking at you google with your “4k”) so having your entire media library with you is a nice benefit as well as having some room to grow. i’m currently sitting on about 2.5tb of media and ~500gb of user data. buying a 4tb would max me out in a few months after buying more movies / shows.

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it all depends on second hand mac component prices. from my knowledge apple changes the casing and motherboard for almost every mac hardware update. thus making components more expensive (lower runs) and the re-sell value high. so for apple to allow replacing parts the backlash from a reduced re-sell price would need to be lower than the potential new avenues of 3rd party components and repairs.

No, the resale value isn't high because they are difficult to repair. It would be the other way around. Currently, I wouldn't pay much for any Mac with a butterfly keyboard, as Apple only warrants it for 4 years and after that the machine is totalled.

not difficult just expensive to repair.

the cheaper it is to repair, the cheaper the device gets.

the more expensive the repairs, the more expensive the device.

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it all depends on second hand mac component prices. from my knowledge apple changes the casing and motherboard for almost every mac hardware update. thus making components more expensive (lower runs) and the re-sell value high. so for apple to allow replacing parts the backlash from a reduced re-sell price would need to be lower than the potential new avenues of 3rd party components and repairs.

> the backlash from a reduced re-sell price Users complaining that laptops are too easy to repair seems absurd to me but then again, I'm not an Apple customer.

no one is complaining about that.

if you want cheap devices that can be fixed by the side of the road there are countless windows laptops. countless.

but when you've got a laptop that costs more to repair, then you can expect its re-sell value to stay high.

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Microsoft already has ARM-based laptops, so we can see what some drawbacks to ARM might be. The Intel-compiled app compatibility is unbearably slow, despite them making a custom ARM chip to improve performance, and the better battery life isn't happening. The Verge could only get 5-6 hours of battery life on the ARM-based Surface Pro X. [1] Presumably Apple is working harder on fixing all of those things than Microso…

Apple is pouring billions of dollars a year into making the best ARM chips on the market. I'm sure they can figure it out.

I am skeptical of your "billions of dollars a year" claim. Source?

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This is one of the reasons I didn't buy any new MBP after 2016 anymore. I was so unsatisfied with many changes ranging from the keyboard disaster to the loss of ports that are still industry standard and used every day for some years to come. Probably this is the start for Apple to find back to some quality and say goodbye to strange experiments. Users should feel good using a device and not pay a lot of $$$ to becom…

I personnaly support their "all usb C" politics. A world where every device will share the same cable will be better.

I basically concur but not all of us can just "flick a switch" here.

The most of my customers still need a lot of "obsolete" connectors as well as my devices which I won't replace just because they have no USB-C yet.

In 5-10 years maybe but they will come up with other standards until then and the race will go on. I think it is a matter of your domain(s) how cutting-edge your choices can be.

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This is one of the reasons I didn't buy any new MBP after 2016 anymore. I was so unsatisfied with many changes ranging from the keyboard disaster to the loss of ports that are still industry standard and used every day for some years to come. Probably this is the start for Apple to find back to some quality and say goodbye to strange experiments. Users should feel good using a device and not pay a lot of $$$ to becom…

These were no experiment. These changes were only a matter of cutting cost. The new butterfly system was cheaper to produce than the old one. Old keyboard design were more complicated. And the keys made from a more sturdy plastic. I have removed and replaced several keys on both kind keyboard and I broke partially 2 key from the new keyboard, using a more fragile plastic but none of the old version, this taking accou…

In this case they should have done their market analysis properly I think.

One of the USP's for Apple devices for me always was the quality of materials and production. Weakening this point of reference by opting for poor quality materials and implementing strange new designs that break fast is poor product management in my opinion.

I don't see that behavior in Apple's past so often - the opposite is true.

Look at the iPhones for example: The early models had a plastic case and buttons and then they introduces more metal etc. somewhere around the 4/5s.

The same happened with their notebooks: They started with cheap plastic cases and upgraded to metal. Nice.

There is more products where they excelled at improving the features and the quality. If it is their choice to leave this USP in the dust they will loose customers like me because quality, good materials and stuff like that are very important for some people.

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