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Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by fhery »

excursionist wrote: post #83
Foobar8568 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Microsoft makes some of the best tools for developers. Because sql server is a fantastic product that has basically no real equivalent on the market. And funnily enough, I always feel that .Net core primary platform was Linux and not windows. Same for visual studio code, and I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, new sql server features won't appear first on the Linux version. And actually it's somewhat t…

> Because Microsoft makes some of the best tools for developers. What are some of these tools besides VSCode, and what makes them 'the best'? > Because sql server is a fantastic product that has basically no real equivalent on the market. What makes SQL Server so much better than, say, PostgreSQL or MariaDB? > And funnily enough, I always feel that .Net core primary platform was Linux and not windows. Why?

>What makes SQL Server so much better than, say, PostgreSQL or MariaDB?

Tooling

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

FpUser wrote: post #118
headmelted wrote: post #71

The author misses the bigger picture completely. Microsoft used to see Linux as competition, and while that might still be true in some ways, it’s largely moot for a couple of reasons. In 2019, Windows isn’t competing with Linux for desktop market share not because Linux poses no threat there, but because the desktop doesn’t matter anymore . Windows, and the desktop operating system as a concept, is competing with th…

the desktop doesn’t matter anymore most casual users gave up computers for smartphones years ago I would consider either statement to be completely false. While less people have full blown desktops almost everyone has laptop and modern laptops are good enough. I would agree that there are many poor countries/places where people can only afford smartphone. But hopefully the future of humanity is to get better rather t…

>"modern laptops are good enough."

Good enough for what? I am not sure I understand what you are claiming or how it disagrees with an OP. The point is, for many users the computer is just where they run a browser.

It does not matter whether they have desktop or laptop, and how powerful they are.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by 77pt77 »

hamsapelea wrote: post #158
astine wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be very surprised if this were true. My experience is that in actual offices, MS Office is king and it would be very hard to move most workflows away from it without exactly replicating it bug-for-bug.

To be honest i never worked in such a backwards office where people still use ms office

Like it or not that is the majority of offices everywhere.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by JackRabbitSlim »

An anti-MS article full of FUD, Delicious.

If anyone is embracing, extending and extinguishing its Redhat's giant lovecraftian eldrich horror starting at Pid 1 as it's tentacles spread across the (user)land to incite madness and crush the life out of system administrators.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by eikenberry »

derefr wrote: post #42

I’m honestly surprised that Microsoft aren’t working with Linux vendors in an attempt to solve Linux problems by more deeply integrating Windows-styled solutions into Linux, such that the Linux client ecosystem becomes more dependent on the Windows infrastructure ecosystem. That’d be the natural Azure-focused equivalent to “embrace, extend, extinguish.” For example, Linux DNS resolution is an arcane mess of upstream…

> For example, Linux DNS resolution is an arcane mess of upstream components bodged together over decades, about the place where sysvinit was before systemd came along.

Systemd has fixed this as well. Using systemd's networking stack DNS becomes completely seamless with the rest of the system. It's not quite 100% baked for average desktop users, but all the components are there and work great. You'll see distros switching to it soon... particularly workstation oriented ones as the wifi stack is soooo much nicer.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by smacktoward »

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #17

Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. They won't release products like Office for Linux (though a web interface is possible), and they won't move away from Windows-only APIs. Neither of those actions would have any tangible benefit for the primary users of those produts (Windows users and Windows developers, respectively). Active Directory is so deeply in…

> They won't release products like Office for Linux

Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering.

The whole reason they "love Linux" now is because Linux on the server gained too much market share for them to realistically oppose. They had to find a way to make money in that market that didn't involve somehow boiling an ocean of Linux machines. So they did.

Windows is still overwhelmingly strong in the desktop market, though, so they have no such incentive to accommodate it there. Nobody retreats from a battlefield they've already won.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

tracker1 wrote: post #129
eternalny1 wrote: post #51

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Our Angular web app runs .Net Core on Linux. .Net Core is fantastic, C# is a great language, I don't see any downsides with our stack.

Biggest down side for me, is .Net Core 3 had some dramatic breaks, it's better than 2 and before, but still been burdensome. There's two decades of answers and examples out there, many of which don't work. Not to mention many third party libraries that do stuff that's now in the box. Biggest gripe to me, is lack of in the box support for PEM files in the crypto library. There are others, Core 3 breaks DI for logging…

Every language and framework has it warts, and the ones in JS/Node could fill a library.

You pick your poison.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

Aperocky wrote: post #200
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #159

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Yeah, that's the problem. Linux Desktop evangelists think they can slap a new coat of paint on this cobbled-together kludge of disparately developed software and that'll be "good enough for everyone". They don't seem to understand the way desktop software fits into workflows that aren't their own.

tbf, those workflow probably can be replaced by a much better alternative. The only downside is people who wouldn’t learn a newer system of interaction with their computer. It’s like 737 Max8 except that mistakes and problems won’t cause lives to be lost.

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Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by shotashotshota »

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #17

Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. They won't release products like Office for Linux (though a web interface is possible), and they won't move away from Windows-only APIs. Neither of those actions would have any tangible benefit for the primary users of those produts (Windows users and Windows developers, respectively). Active Directory is so deeply in…

>Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently.

It should really be " loves because it makes them money" because let's be honest, the only reason these companies make any decisions, moral or not, is to make money They supported and showcased these supports with events, banners, and advertisement only because that's what they _need_ to do to make _profit_.

They could easily discard all of these values the moment a government or a market said they can't do it. Just look at all the companies bowing down to China.

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