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Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by sgt »

neilobremski wrote: post #126
petilon wrote: post #110

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> they won't move away from Windows-only APIs Office already runs on MacOS and iOS

Runs ... but not well. It may be different now but I knew an engineer on the Office for Mac team some years back and it did not sound like a pretty port. I have both a Mac and a Windows machine at work and Excel on the latter is lightning fast compared to the former.

Haven't had issues with Word on the Mac. Seems very fast on my MBP. However I prefer using Pages, Keynote etc. if I can help it. I don't use Numbers, as I usually prefer Google Sheets for that.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by tracker1 »

Nullabillity wrote: post #139
tracker1 wrote: post #125

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Except for in-the-box replication and failover options.

MSSQL's replication is a minefield of ways to screw it up completely.

Not that I disagree... but by comparison, PosgreSQL replication would be a minefield of nuclear bombs without a map.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

Spooky23 wrote: post #172
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #163

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AD is mostly used internally on corporate networks. Why would untrusted networks be relevant?

As corporate datacenters migrate to the cloud, the distinction between internal and external will fade. Additionally, with cloud email/office becoming the standard, there’s powerful levers to incentive cloud adoption and shifting of compliance standards.

> As corporate datacenters migrate to the cloud

I don't think this trend is as large as SV web devs think it is, nor do I think the trend will continue indefinitely in that direction. My current corporate masters hate the cloud because they want to be in control of their own data and services. They don't want to twiddle their thumbs when somethings wrong while waiting for BigCorp to get around to fixing it. They really, really don't like paying rent on business essential tooling.

And they've pretty much been proven right in all their concerns so far.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by UglyToad »

pytester wrote: post #102
juliangoldsmith wrote: post #17

Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. They won't release products like Office for Linux (though a web interface is possible), and they won't move away from Windows-only APIs. Neither of those actions would have any tangible benefit for the primary users of those produts (Windows users and Windows developers, respectively). Active Directory is so deeply in…

>Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. I rather thought the point of the article was that Microsoft didn't actually love linux but pretended that it did to stave off irrelevance in markets where linux is kicking their ass (i.e. server). As he said, if they really loved linux and this isn't just another "embrace, extend, extinguish" ploy sugarcoated in PR…

My view of Microsoft, and I'd be interested to hear if it's bullshit from people who have worked there, is there isn't such an entity.

The dev tools and .NET team actually like Linux, the Windows team hate those guys, the Office team hate everyone, the Skype team hate their lives, the Nokia team, well...

Expecting a single determined vision from Microsoft isn't rational. It's multiple business units who don't really coordinate and just happen to share a logo.

Again I've only formed this view from hints and allusions but it seems to explain a lot.

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Post by johndubchak »

hamsapelea wrote: post #138
stiray wrote: post #130

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I have dumped windows completely after spending some time on windows 8 (fyi: system level developer, but... Well i did my share on aix, hpux, solaris, linux, vms too, but I did love windows... Before the age of manifests, putting com interfaces into kernel32.dll,...) What troubles me THE most on linux is interoperability of applications, there is literally nothing replacing microsoft "office" (not a product Office) s…

Hmm the average joe is already using google drive rather than office et al. Works on linux and mac better than the office stack works on windows.

I use Linux exclusively and have since 2003. Also, I don't put any of my work in google drive/docs/GSuite for anything. Google simply has enough of my life, I'm not giving them my business data as well.

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Post by techntoke »

SirLotsaLocks wrote: post #80
wayneftw wrote: post #45

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At one time, Manjaro Linux came with Microsoft Office pre-installed. The apps were built with python jade application kit with embedded webviews that take you to the online version - https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/manjaro-ms-office-online...

That's impressive, has anyone else done something like this?

Yes, you can now add wrappers with Chrome as well.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by Havoc »

nah. MS was dangerous in windows era. And had another go at that with their docx shenanigans.

...but in cloud era their teeth are just as long/short as google/AWS in my opinion. No more win32 .exe home turf advantage.

That said I consider all 3 clouds dangerous in a sense.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by simion314 »

zamalek wrote: post #166
simion314 wrote: post #152

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The part about Wine is not related, it was about what would convince me that Microsoft "loves" Linux or at least is not intimidated by it. The WSL seems to me as the first part of the EEE and the competition would be fair if Linux could have it's own project Wine supported by Microsoft, as it is now it feels as an exploit, MS can do WSL but Linux and Mac have to struggle with Wine and the FUD around it.

> Linux and Mac have to struggle with Wine and the FUD around it. What FUD? I don't think I've ever seen someone spread FUD about Wine. Are you referring to the website that lists how well games/apps work with it?

The accusation that Wine devs were looking at the Windows code and it is "illegal" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20341022

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Post by himinlomax »

robenkleene wrote: post #155
hamsapelea wrote: post #138

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Hmm the average joe is already using google drive rather than office et al. Works on linux and mac better than the office stack works on windows.

I was really surprised to learn that according to Okta’s Businesses at Work 2019 report[1] Microsoft Office is still significantly more popular than G Suite, at least in the workplace: > Office 365 increased its lead and continues to dominate the total pool of apps by number of customers, and it’s growing its active unique users by 55% year over year. I wrote a bit about the report[2]. Another interesting finding is…

The Google Docs word processor objectively sucks, it's barely a rich text editor.

To wit, you can't even define custom styles!

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