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Apple’s iPhone Software Shakeup After Buggy iOS 13 Debut

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Re: Apple’s iPhone Software Shakeup After Buggy iOS 13 Debut

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Post by saltminer »

hylaride wrote: post #17

There have been glaring bugs/issues lasting ages in both MacOS and iOS. For years apple mail on iOS would always show 1 unread message in "all mail" for gmail. On my iPhone 11 pro (and the 6S i had before it) the camera app will sometimes only show a black screen and a freaking reboot is needed to get it working again. I've missed out on many moments with my toddler because of that. Multi-monitor support was so good…

Reminds me of Apple Remote Desktop. It used to be an amazing application for managing our fleet of signage machines, an indispensable tool. Then (I think after Sierra was released), we started getting occasional crashes. It wasn't very often, but it was annoying. Then High Sierra rolled around, and it became unusable. You'd be lucky to go 2 minutes without a crash. And there was no consistency to it. We submitted bug reports, and nothing ever happened...until October 7 of this year, when I noticed an update queued in the App Store for ARD.

We had to abandon ARD so I don't know if they actually fixed it, but the price is still $80, and at no point has Apple ever lowered that price, even when it was unusable.

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Post by amluto »

Razengan wrote: post #30

I'm one of the most staunch Apple supporters but even I must admit that since WWDC 2019, I have spent more time fighting Apple's bugs than actually using any of the new features...or the old features that used to work flawlessly (like iTunes/Music.) Not just on the user side, but the developer end as well. Perfectly valid code which used to work up till Xcode 11.1 throws errors inside the Swift runtime or toolchain o…

The Nintendo Switch only “just works” if you have no USB-C peripherals and no more than four costrollers. Other than that, it’s pretty great!

(Yes, in my book, the official dock counts as a USB-C peripheral that doesn’t “just work”. I’ve used to of them, and one is severely janky.)

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Post by sixstringtheory »

chmaynard wrote: post #22

When I first worked at Apple 30 years ago it was widely acknowledged that R&D had a two-tier system for software development. The rockstar engineers got to work on new stuff and the less productive/creative engineers cleaned up their mess. Bringing new features to maturity was a low-prestige activity and was not rewarded as well. The top engineers joined the hot new projects, shipped the first version, and then moved…

Sounds like just about every software job I’ve had over the last 7 years. It sounds like a mgmt problem to me. Either they can’t tamp down the devs who move too fast and break things, or they are driving the devs to do so.

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Post by driverdan »

kenshi wrote: post #69
Razengan wrote: post #30

I'm one of the most staunch Apple supporters but even I must admit that since WWDC 2019, I have spent more time fighting Apple's bugs than actually using any of the new features...or the old features that used to work flawlessly (like iTunes/Music.) Not just on the user side, but the developer end as well. Perfectly valid code which used to work up till Xcode 11.1 throws errors inside the Swift runtime or toolchain o…

Why be a "staunch supporter" at all? It's one thing to admire the work/output of a company, but once you identify as a "Company X" supporter you are just closing yourself off to being critical of "Company X". I cringe at every WWDC session when people applaud for minor features (new themes in Xcode!) and long overdue bug fixes. I am embarrassed whenever someone online talks about a problem they have with Apple hardwa…

Marketers and society push the brand loyalty scam hard. Never be loyal or dedicated to a brand.

Re: Apple’s iPhone Software Shakeup After Buggy iOS 13 Debut

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Post by m_eiman »

zionic wrote: post #92
bluedino wrote: post #46

13 was the worst iOS release I can remember. Photos would crash from scrolling too fast. Mail wouldn't check for new messages for a whole day. Safari blank screens. Replying to messages in Mail was a 50/50 proposition. The phone would freeze for 5-10 seconds more than it ever did before. All kinds of visual artifacts like text appearing where it shouldn't, UI elements getting orphaned and just floating around, effect…

Also photo sync launched COMPLETELY broken. Do you have >10k photos in your library you want to sync? Tough luck. So far they've fixed photo sync up to ~20k photos or so but now absolutely zero videos will sync. "include videos" just doesn't work.

It’s been working well for me since the first 13 release, and I have (as of today) 67616 items, about 2k5 videos. I’m glad I don’t have to debug stuff like that :P

Re: Apple’s iPhone Software Shakeup After Buggy iOS 13 Debut

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Post by tracer4201 »

My biggest gripe with Apple is they keep pushing out “features“ that I don’t want, and I end up with a net negative because of all the new bugs.

I never had crashes on my iPhone, ever, period, until the recent iOS 13 update. Photos crashes on me. The text messaging app crashes on me. Safari crashes just about every other day. Apple Maps, which had gotten so much better over the years, is now crashing too. Screw the new iPhones. Apple, you crapped on my relationship with you by screwing up what I’ve already paid you for. How do you expect me to trust you and give you even more of my money?

Re: Apple’s iPhone Software Shakeup After Buggy iOS 13 Debut

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Post by martin-adams »

hylaride wrote: post #17

There have been glaring bugs/issues lasting ages in both MacOS and iOS. For years apple mail on iOS would always show 1 unread message in "all mail" for gmail. On my iPhone 11 pro (and the 6S i had before it) the camera app will sometimes only show a black screen and a freaking reboot is needed to get it working again. I've missed out on many moments with my toddler because of that. Multi-monitor support was so good…

I get the same black screen on the camera occasionally. If you open another app, then go to the app switcher you can swipe away the camera app. It seems to work for me after that.

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Post by driverdan »

criddell wrote: post #8
saagarjha wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just did that with iOS 12/macOS Mojave. I guess they need another one?

iOS 12 and Mojave are fine. Just stay there, fix bugs, and add support for new hardware.

OS X was fine for a long time before Mojave. I can't remember the last release that added a feature I cared about.

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Post by criddell »

wlesieutre wrote: post #147
criddell wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Storage support is a sensible addition to the OS for sure. It should also be in iOS. I think the multiple app stuff was a mistake on Apples part. It complicates the OS significantly and starts to make it feel like a computer operating system. Improvements to Safari make sense, but then I'd consider that an application and not part of the operating system.

Multiple windows is easy to ignore if you don't want it, but especially with the side-by-side multitasking view it's very nice to be able to group app instances together as they relate to things you're working on, and not sweating the fact that there can only be one web browser window. For instance, if I'm doing research on something, I might have Notes or MindNode running with a copy of Safari paired alongside it. T…

It's hard to ignore it when the introduction of the features destabilizes the rest of the operating system.

I get how multiple windows is great for productivity, but I'd rather seem Apple push macOS for those use cases and keep the iPad as simple as possible.

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Post by wlesieutre »

criddell wrote: post #159
wlesieutre wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple windows is easy to ignore if you don't want it, but especially with the side-by-side multitasking view it's very nice to be able to group app instances together as they relate to things you're working on, and not sweating the fact that there can only be one web browser window. For instance, if I'm doing research on something, I might have Notes or MindNode running with a copy of Safari paired alongside it. T…

It's hard to ignore it when the introduction of the features destabilizes the rest of the operating system. I get how multiple windows is great for productivity, but I'd rather seem Apple push macOS for those use cases and keep the iPad as simple as possible.

I've not seen any OS stability issues, my main issue has been the Mail rewrite not listing messages reliably. Pretty frequently messages show up as a blank white box. But it hasn't been crashing.

13.2 had an issue with apps terminating and having to be relaunched every time you backgrounded them, but that hit the iPhone too so it wasn't an iPad multi-window problem. Speculation I saw was blaming iPhone 11 camera RAM requirements for more aggressive memory management, but who knows.

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