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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by fluidcruft »

rurp wrote: post #161
marricks wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder about the damage Google does to any potential start ups in a field. How much buzz can you get when everyone’s first thought is “how could this be any good? Google already tried that and failed...”

I don't know, Google has failed at all kinds of products that other companies have achieved massive success with. This includes some really ubiquitous tools like a social network (Google+) or messaging apps (too many to list). I think at this point most people assume a failed project from Google has more to do with the company than the concept itself.

A few days ago I was researching a bug I was seeing using with xfce on chrome remote desktop. Apparently this was thoroughly solved in someone's Google+ post that everyone linked to. All I can see now is the Google+ termination notice. Thanks, Google.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 »

zerocrates wrote: post #215

"Google kills all their products" is a bit of an overused meme trotted out at any launch... But for Stadia it's a pretty legitimate concern, I'd say. The model where you're still "buying" the games ties you to the ongoing operation of the service much more strongly than in many of their services where an eventual migration might be a little painful, but it's still possible. The counterargument would be that they've d…

> The counterargument would be that they've deployed a ton of network capacity and GPU resources for cloud computing anyway, and so Stadia is just riding on those coattails... But it's certainly not a promising track record.

Exactly, in fact, Stadia is really just a way for Google to subsidize their cloud GPU buildout. Do you think those expensive GPUs are sitting idle in the meantime? No way! They're crunching numbers or spot instances for AI/ML workloads.

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Post by hogFeast »

tempsy wrote: post #38

What is going on with Google? I used to think Google had the best product team in the world. In some ways I thought they defined what modern product management is/was. Now I have no clue what they are thinking with their product launches as of late. All of their products (and marketing) invoke this conservative, risk-adverse blandness that tries to appeal to everyone and in turn appeals to no one.

The view of Google within tech (oh, but the interviews are so hard...everyone who works there is a genius) is quite opposed to the view of Google without.

They are quite poorly run. You have this huge monopoly product that is locked up super-voting shares. The people in possession of those shares appear to have no management ability or even interest (or just ability in the case of Larry Page). There is no oversight.

So it shouldn't be too surprising that the products they develop have no value...that isn't really what Google do. They make products for staff to manage, not for consumers to use. Maintaining products isn't fun for managers: they need to build empires, acquire staff, and grow budgets. Google is a bureaucracy attached to a monopoly (btw, this is totally unique...I am not aware of another company that has ever been like this outside of tech/the present...the East India Company maybe?).

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

honkycat wrote: post #97
kllrnohj wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lack of gameplay from the resulting physics to justify the server costs? Game devs don't simulate worlds for the fun of it. They have a purpose behind things. There's a cost/benefit involved.

> Game devs don't simulate worlds for the fun of it. Unless you are Tarn Adams

Or about a thousand other small indie devs, but somehow I don't think Stadia has much interest in them.

P.S.: Don't take this statement the wrong way, I love small indie devs and donated for Dwarf Fortress.

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Post by pytester »

iamsb wrote: post #88

A good model will be to start working on a new startup with a competing product as soon as google launches something. In couple of years when they shut down, provide migration paths. Swim in $$$.

That only works for products people actually like. I can think of maybe one product where this was a good model.

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Post by ARCarr »

macspoofing wrote: post #223
gameswithgo wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is trying something really innovative This kind of thing has been around for nearly 10 years.

Where? Who else is doing this type of cloud gaming?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Now

"PlayStation Now (PS Now) is a cloud gaming subscription service developed by Sony Interactive Entertainment."

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by cglace »

40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/products/geforce-now/

Has been a product for a long time and actually works really well.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by arcadethen »

danielbln wrote: post #172
juancn wrote: post #121

Cloud gaming is solution looking for a problem. It's not customer demand driven. Nobody want's cloud gaming (at least not yet). They haven't shown anything compelling why this would be a game changer for end users. The games are not more fun or unique than on any other platforms. Any of the cloud arguments also hold for consoles or PCs on internet connected games. I think the site may be a bit optimistic.

I want it, but I want the Netflix model. What I don't want is to buy games fullprice on their platform. Let me pay 10 bucks a month for a rich gaming catalog that I can play on anything from Mac, to phone to tablet and I'm going to use it.

So Apple Arcade, then? It's only $5.00/mo, but seems to meet the criteria you've set.

For me, I prefer something like Apple Arcade because it downloads the game to my system. I'm not sending commands over a network connection that might flake out at a critical moment. I also don't care about playing with others, usually, though.

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Post by 40acres »

mmanfrin wrote: post #202
40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

Glass cost money, more than 10x what this cost, and that was not a signal of their long term ambition. The problem with Stadia is that it costs money, the service costs a monthly fee, and on top of it you have to buy the games. What happens to those games if you stop paying the fee? If you stop using Stadia? If Google deprecates Stadia like many are worried. I'll tell you: you lose the game. If I, conversely, buy the…

Honestly, glass simply seems too early. We know that Apple is also working on AR glasses, even Intel came out with a AR glasses platform but quickly had to kill it because the market is simply not mature.

I think Google is betting that cloud steaming is now viable and are going to put as much resources as possible to make it work.

I am not doubting that there are issues with the product and concerns about Google, I obviously have reservations but don't believe that it hinders me from being excited about the prospect itself

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