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When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

#61

This makes me shed a solitary tear for Google Reader :'( And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

Google's missteps are someone else's opportunity. I use FastMail, NewsBlur, etc, all so I don't have to use Google.

Vote with your wallet and choices. Use non-Google tooling whenever possible.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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post #3

Although Stadia might fail, I see cloud gaming (i.e. streaming A/V) as a revolution for multiplayer games. We can now have all kinds of complicated physics and particle engines, since all players are known to experience the exact same “world model”. It might help a lot with anti-cheat technology as well. It’s pretty exciting!

Always online is really just for smooth microtransaction delivery.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern multiplayer games already do the "world model" calculations on the server, with clients simply rendering the little data they have.

Then what’s stopping us from making a MMORPG with the physics of a simulator?

I would hazard to guess that latency would be a killer for that. It's painful enough if you have 100ms ping on tactical FPS games like CS:GO for instance, but if the delay in a player's position updating caused a completely different physics cascade to happen (running into a wall rather than a stack of cardboard boxes for instance), that could get pretty jarring to see either the correction occurring constantly or the physics delayed after someone's actions.

Of course I'm just theorising - it could be an idea that no-one's implemented yet.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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post #21
post #3

Although Stadia might fail, I see cloud gaming (i.e. streaming A/V) as a revolution for multiplayer games. We can now have all kinds of complicated physics and particle engines, since all players are known to experience the exact same “world model”. It might help a lot with anti-cheat technology as well. It’s pretty exciting!

Hardcore gamers may not like it, but it's hard to argue against the observation that the overall trend everywhere is towards hosted services. Yes, there are some limitations imposed by physics but applications requiring specific high-performance local [client] hardware are going to be increasingly niche. (As, arguably, a lot of the most hardware-intensive gaming already is in the scheme of the population as a whole.)

> Hardcore gamers may not like it

I'm not a hardcore gamer -- I think hardcore gamers would call me a "casual gamer". But Stadia is not interesting to me at all. It offers tons of important limitations, and brings no actual benefit that I can see.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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post #38

What is going on with Google? I used to think Google had the best product team in the world. In some ways I thought they defined what modern product management is/was. Now I have no clue what they are thinking with their product launches as of late. All of their products (and marketing) invoke this conservative, risk-adverse blandness that tries to appeal to everyone and in turn appeals to no one.

Google started to make sense to me when I started to understand their business model- Own every 'entry point' to engagement with a business, and then force that business to compete for users by purchasing Google's advertisements.

Gaming is big business, Google wants to own the consumer relationship so it can force publishers to advertise/sell through them.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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post #3

Although Stadia might fail, I see cloud gaming (i.e. streaming A/V) as a revolution for multiplayer games. We can now have all kinds of complicated physics and particle engines, since all players are known to experience the exact same “world model”. It might help a lot with anti-cheat technology as well. It’s pretty exciting!

Modern multiplayer games already do the "world model" calculations on the server, with clients simply rendering the little data they have.

Hmm, I'm wondering if rendering on the server would make things a bit harder for bots? It seems hard to figure out exactly what to send without at least doing visibility calculations and clipping?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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post #3

Although Stadia might fail, I see cloud gaming (i.e. streaming A/V) as a revolution for multiplayer games. We can now have all kinds of complicated physics and particle engines, since all players are known to experience the exact same “world model”. It might help a lot with anti-cheat technology as well. It’s pretty exciting!

Modern multiplayer games already do the "world model" calculations on the server, with clients simply rendering the little data they have.

That only partly helps with cheating. Client side cheat software still has access to the internal game state and can modify rendering (so you see in the dark for example) or input (point the gun at any visible opponent). If you only remotely control a video stream, that's harder. I guess the next step would then be computer vision on the video stream.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

#69

Sorry, but pet peeve. Shutdown is not a verb. (should be "shut down") http://notaverb.com/shutdown

Sure it is.

And I'd rather take it from Merriam-Webster than someone's belabored "notaverb.com" hobby horse.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shutdown

First known use of shut down as verb: 1779.

If your issue is merely with the lack of a space, then it just seems petty to me, like getting technical about raincoat vs rain coat.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

#70

Nice joke and nice irony. I actually think that Stadia will be very successful in the long run, and I think Google will never shut it down. Same for GCP. (Just IMHO, and not much to substantiate my prediction.)

Stadia is a throwaway project, far smaller than e.g. Google+ and in a risk-averse market of gamers who don't want to buy bricks and game studios who don't want to invest in a dead Platform (except as a token of friendliness, or maybe of protection racket, to Google).
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