Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by pedrocr » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

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Post by 1996 » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:50 PM UTC

Dear new corporate overlord, if you want to disprove this, please invest in wine!

It is an alternative option that would yield great dividends for both linux and windows user. win32 binaries are just more multiplatform that .net/uwp/the next shiny new thing you will try and fail to spin.

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Post by de_watcher » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:51 PM UTC

Can add Visual Studio to the Office/DirectX/Outlook/ActiveDirectory section.

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Post by lasermike026 » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:52 PM UTC

Hmmmm, Linux has proven itself on its own. The GPL has done its work. POSIX is a working standard. Linux isn't completely POSIX compliant. I don't think there is much Microsoft can do about it.

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Post by guardian5x » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

This article makes it sound like Embracing is a bad thing, because necessarily Extend, and Extinguish will follow. But it doesn't really work that way with Open Source.

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Post by TomMarius » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

1996 wrote: post #2

Dear new corporate overlord, if you want to disprove this, please invest in wine! It is an alternative option that would yield great dividends for both linux and windows user. win32 binaries are just more multiplatform that .net/uwp/the next shiny new thing you will try and fail to spin.

I think they want to go the HyperV route for this purpose, wine is not really the solution a company like Microsoft would choose (based on their business needs). HyperV based hybrid desktop seems to be much easier to develop, maintain, sell etc.

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Post by skohan » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

I don't think it's a particularly good thing for Microsoft to cozy up with Linux, let alone any of the larger tech firms. In particular, I don't think it's great that Microsoft is such a heavy contributor to the Linux foundation.

If the people who work on Linux become financially dependent on large tech firms, this creates potential conflict-of-interest. For instance, is it impossible to imagine that as Proton becomes more capable of making the Windows gaming experience portable, there couldn't be pressure to kneecap it in some way at the kernel level? If Ubuntu had dropped 32 bit app support as planned, it would have done just that.

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Post by pixl97 » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

guardian5x wrote: post #5

This article makes it sound like Embracing is a bad thing, because necessarily Extend, and Extinguish will follow. But it doesn't really work that way with Open Source.

Eh, kinda does by extending the standard in a non open way. Then blocking.

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Post by beatle_sauce » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

de_watcher wrote: post #3

Can add Visual Studio to the Office/DirectX/Outlook/ActiveDirectory section.

Same with document formats: MS Office Open XML instead of just supporting the existing OpenDocument Format (ODF) as open standard.

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Post by tra3 » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

I'm having a tough time drawing a conclusion from this article. In my experience with commercial/open source projects the only reason they are open source is because of some sort of market advantage. Is the author suggesting that Microsoft doing all this OSS work out of the goodness of their collective heart? Corporations are about making money, while that goal and OSS happen to align we'll get open source from Microsoft. The second it stops being strategically relevant: bye-bye.