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The Uncertain Future of the World’s Largest Secondhand Book Market

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Physical books have their advantages. Specially when reading technical books you find yourself going back and forth way too often to read a digital copy. Also no need to worry about batteries, less eye strain, etc. In this case it is the online second hand stores (abebooks, amazon, etc) the ones that are killinh the physical stores.

I wish I could like reading certain technical books in dead tree format, but I recently bought both the digital and dead tree versions of the Pragmatic Programmer, 20th anniversary edition; and I really couldn’t stand the lack of colour syntax highlighting and colour diagrams in the dead tree version. Mind you, I bought from InformIT, so it was definitely not counterfeit; it was just the printing quality that the aut…

>and it would still be beautifully formatted.

It all depends on the book publisher. They could have printed it in color. And they could have done a crappy job on the digital version. In fact, by far the worst book quality I’ve ever seen was a very expensive Kindle version.

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I'm a huge packrat and have quite a few old books (especially tech titles. I'm never ready to admit I won't be coding Visual Basic again one day....) But I can see the future. I've been accumulating titles on my Kindle, and I really like using it.

I think paper book sales are doomed for long-term decline.

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It might be a shame for an old tradition to go away, but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. In this case, it's ebooks and learning over the internet. The need for the paper book is diminished, and it is a waste of our human labour for thousands of people to be working book stalls for entire lifetimes when there is a more efficient way to dissemin…

> but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. Increasingly it seems to me that things get replaced simply because a company can make more revenue. * Subscription software - 'more efficient'? Not really - just a guaranteed revenue stream * planned obsolescence in products - 'more efficient'? No. * "Books" that you don't really own, that you can't easil…

eBook provides real advantages to readers, not just to companies. For example, it takes less space and you can carry more of them.

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> but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. Increasingly it seems to me that things get replaced simply because a company can make more revenue. * Subscription software - 'more efficient'? Not really - just a guaranteed revenue stream * planned obsolescence in products - 'more efficient'? No. * "Books" that you don't really own, that you can't easil…

eBook provides real advantages to readers, not just to companies. For example, it takes less space and you can carry more of them.

This only matters if your definition of efficient is along the axis of carring more books or minimizing space uptake. If your efficiency is based on the pleasure of holding pages, the visual aesthetic of multiple books, the maximum amount of time to go without a charge, collecting signed editions, etc. then eBooks are completely garbage.

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eBook provides real advantages to readers, not just to companies. For example, it takes less space and you can carry more of them.

This only matters if your definition of efficient is along the axis of carring more books or minimizing space uptake. If your efficiency is based on the pleasure of holding pages, the visual aesthetic of multiple books, the maximum amount of time to go without a charge, collecting signed editions, etc. then eBooks are completely garbage.

They’re also superior in most ways as interfaces to works with more features than “main body text”, and to which you intend to refer again very often.

Pop fic and pop non-fic, then, for ebooks. Excellent for those. Paper or both for most everything else.

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> it is a waste of our human labour for thousands of people to be working book stalls for entire lifetimes when there is a more efficient way to disseminate knowledge. Those who earn a living doing that might disagree about it being a waste of labour. A job that provides an income is useful to society even if you don't consider the thing being worked on to be worthwhile. (FWIW I prefer physical books to reading on a…

I agree with you, but isn't the very subject we're discussing that these jobs may no longer provide income? Does it follow that a job that does not provide income is not useful to society even if you consider the thing being worked on to be worthwhile?

> Does it follow that a job that does not provide income is not useful to society even if you consider the thing being worked on to be worthwhile?

No, it does not follow. The most prominent example: parenting.

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It might be a shame for an old tradition to go away, but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. In this case, it's ebooks and learning over the internet. The need for the paper book is diminished, and it is a waste of our human labour for thousands of people to be working book stalls for entire lifetimes when there is a more efficient way to dissemin…

Plus, you know, DRM makes ebooks more profitable to the original publishers.

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I'm a huge packrat and have quite a few old books (especially tech titles. I'm never ready to admit I won't be coding Visual Basic again one day....) But I can see the future. I've been accumulating titles on my Kindle, and I really like using it. I think paper book sales are doomed for long-term decline.

I think paper book sales are doomed for long-term decline.

On what grounds, may I ask? There currently doesn't seem to be a long-term declining trend in paper book sales, so are you expecting a significant change in technology or society that will cause a long-term decline? Or (possibly) did you conclude this (quite reasonably) when there was such a trend and haven't checked recently?

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It might be a shame for an old tradition to go away, but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. In this case, it's ebooks and learning over the internet. The need for the paper book is diminished, and it is a waste of our human labour for thousands of people to be working book stalls for entire lifetimes when there is a more efficient way to dissemin…

Even if people prefer paper books, that used book shop in the article is still doomed. Their competition is not the internet. It's a better bookstore with lower prices in an air conditioned shopping mall.

Stores in air conditioned shopping malls have much higher overhead and typically much lower and less diverse stocks. The result is better in only a limited sense.

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It might be a shame for an old tradition to go away, but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. In this case, it's ebooks and learning over the internet. The need for the paper book is diminished, and it is a waste of our human labour for thousands of people to be working book stalls for entire lifetimes when there is a more efficient way to dissemin…

> but in a capitalist world, the usual reason something gets replaced is there is a more efficient way to do it. Increasingly it seems to me that things get replaced simply because a company can make more revenue. * Subscription software - 'more efficient'? Not really - just a guaranteed revenue stream * planned obsolescence in products - 'more efficient'? No. * "Books" that you don't really own, that you can't easil…

A nit: subscription software solves the perennial "necessary maintenance" problem. Nobody will pay to fix problems, only for new features.
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