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The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #14

> ...the Ive Doctrine: Always strive for the next version of your product to be thinner and lighter than the current one. I guess this guy hasn't noticed the phones getting thicker and heavier over the last several years.

I guess you stopped reading there?

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #10

They definitely didn't account for different populations' ears when they designed the EarPods - I've never been able to wear them, and I've heard many similar anecdotes from non-Westerners, and from some Westerners as well. The first thing I noticed about the AirPod Pros is that they'd probably fit in my ears, and I wondered what possessed Apple to change the design after years of insisting that EarPods fit the vast…

The design change isn't an indication that they changed their belief regarding that aspect of earpods.

The design needed to change to better incorporate the active noise cancelling feature. Even if earpods fit most ears, to truly be able to implement in ear ANC, a seal between the buds and the ear need to occur so they decided to overhaul the design.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #10

They definitely didn't account for different populations' ears when they designed the EarPods - I've never been able to wear them, and I've heard many similar anecdotes from non-Westerners, and from some Westerners as well. The first thing I noticed about the AirPod Pros is that they'd probably fit in my ears, and I wondered what possessed Apple to change the design after years of insisting that EarPods fit the vast…

Weirdly it doesn’t. Regular Airpods keep falling off my ear. Got the Pro ones following similar reasonings as yours but they keep falling as well. The silicon tip just push itself out.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #7

I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release. Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good. I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in…

An even better idea: listen to CUSTOMERS

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #11
post #5

Even on the iOS side, iPhones have been getting thicker and heavier for every generation since the iPhone 6 (2014) On the Mac, the issue has more been they prioritized design over functionality. On the iOS side, the only functionality we lost to the design obsession was a headphone jack, maybe some battery life, whereas on the Mac we lost far more (such as being able to type). If an iPhone redesign made the keyboard…

I'm not convinced removing the headphone jack was purely a design decision, but rather strengthening apple's position in the accessories market, as it is able to control the software side of bluetooth headphones, making high margin airpods more attractive. With a headphone jack the playing field was flatter for other headphone manufacturers.

iPhones work with any BT headphones.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Jason mentioned it on his podcast, but I didn’t see it in the article. The iPhone 11 Pros are also moving into the right direction. They are heavier, slightly thicker and have better battery life. The Apple battery cases have always been a case of function over form. They have always been butt ugly, but more functional than third party cases.

>> also moving into the right direction. They are heavier, slightly thicker and have better battery life.

The worst thing about the latest iphones(10, pro) is that they got heavier. I find it so bad that I skipped the upgrade(s) because of that.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #10

They definitely didn't account for different populations' ears when they designed the EarPods - I've never been able to wear them, and I've heard many similar anecdotes from non-Westerners, and from some Westerners as well. The first thing I noticed about the AirPod Pros is that they'd probably fit in my ears, and I wondered what possessed Apple to change the design after years of insisting that EarPods fit the vast…

> from non-Westerners, and from some Westerners as well.

What do you mean by "Westerners?" People in "the West" have many different body types.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

#28
post #8

I find discussions like this extremely disingenuous. It's much like discussing the lifestyles and personal choices of celebrities. You don't know what the lifestyles of celebrities are really like, just as you don't really know what it's like inside apple's design team. It's all speculation.

But we do know the output. And for those of us using the products for years at a time, at no small expense, the investment is significant

Yeah, we know the output, but we don't know what really happened or how things ended up this way. It still pairs up with the celebrity aspect. We know Kanye acts crazy, but is he really crazy, or is it for media? Impossible to tell.

I'm by no means defending Apple. The keyboards should have been gone after they discovered the defect, and they really should have gone further in compensating users. Still though, I find articles like this sensationalized at best.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

#29
post #8

I find discussions like this extremely disingenuous. It's much like discussing the lifestyles and personal choices of celebrities. You don't know what the lifestyles of celebrities are really like, just as you don't really know what it's like inside apple's design team. It's all speculation.

Yeah. I hope me (and something like HN) still exists whenever someone in the know actually writes a memoir about this period of Apple's history.

We also know how obsessed Jobs was about product functionality. The original iPhone was going to ship with a plastic screen and was demoed with one when it was introduced. He saw our easily it was scratched an announced in a press release three months before it shipped that they were changing to a glass screen.

Contrast that to the then CEO OF Google who used a Blackberry years after Android shipped.

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