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The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Certainly seems that way, but it's discouraging that Ive and Apple had to part ways just for Apple to get back on track. Very much a case of either dying a hero or living long enough to become the villian.

I use this as a reminder not to drink my own kool aid. Even if I'm being recognized at being good at something, it's not an excuse to double down on it and push it too hard. No one is applauded for being judiciously balanced.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Even on the iOS side, iPhones have been getting thicker and heavier for every generation since the iPhone 6 (2014)

On the Mac, the issue has more been they prioritized design over functionality. On the iOS side, the only functionality we lost to the design obsession was a headphone jack, maybe some battery life, whereas on the Mac we lost far more (such as being able to type). If an iPhone redesign made the keyboard break, the device would be recalled and it would be fixed in weeks. On the Mac they let it go for years.

The 2017 roundtable change in attitude seems to have been Apple now allowing the Mac to "be a truck" as Jobs expressed it. Put functionality first, and let the design adapt to that.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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Wow, this website eats CPU processing power like candy. It distracts from reading if your fan screams at you.

I'm amazed just how many websites my '19 MacBook Air struggles with.

That's not an indictment of the Air, which I bought fully cognizant of the battery / heat / power tradeoffs. The Air is happy to run native design, etc. software. The only time I feel its performance limitations is when I'm browsing the goddamned web.

Running a Pro most of the time it's easy to overlook just what utter pigs many websites are today. But seriously, how the fuck is it ok for websites to grind popular consumer-grade computers to a halt?

Don't these engineers have any pride / skill / will to create good products? Performance is a feature kids.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release.

Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good.

I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in Linux. Their keyboard is a pleasure to use during long typing sessions and has really low latency.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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I find discussions like this extremely disingenuous. It's much like discussing the lifestyles and personal choices of celebrities. You don't know what the lifestyles of celebrities are really like, just as you don't really know what it's like inside apple's design team. It's all speculation.

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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post #3

Certainly seems that way, but it's discouraging that Ive and Apple had to part ways just for Apple to get back on track. Very much a case of either dying a hero or living long enough to become the villian. I use this as a reminder not to drink my own kool aid. Even if I'm being recognized at being good at something, it's not an excuse to double down on it and push it too hard. No one is applauded for being judiciousl…

> I use this as a reminder not to drink my own kool aid. Even if I'm being recognized at being good at something, it's not an excuse to double down on it and push it too hard. No one is applauded for being judiciously balanced.

But for a lot of things it can be positive if recognition motivates you to do more. Like can you ever be too good of an athlete? Too good of a programmer?

Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’

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They definitely didn't account for different populations' ears when they designed the EarPods - I've never been able to wear them, and I've heard many similar anecdotes from non-Westerners, and from some Westerners as well. The first thing I noticed about the AirPod Pros is that they'd probably fit in my ears, and I wondered what possessed Apple to change the design after years of insisting that EarPods fit the vast majority of people's ears.
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