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Post by mensetmanusman »

cayblood wrote: post #372
baby wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot of mainland people in the US who think the western medias are all biased and that they are helping HK to separate from China.

Several highly-educated Mainland China associates and colleagues have shared such thoughts with me and expressed general disdain for the HK protestors.

I met some while I was studying at a top 5 university in the U.S. One had come out of the fog after studying a decade in Singapore. He could look back clearly at the brainwashing and described how it is done, but it takes many years on the outside for even very intelligent people to realize what has been done.

Props to China though for having a pretty effective system.

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Post by ridaj »

djokkataja wrote: post #309
ridaj wrote: post #128

I stopped reading here: > $155B worth of electronics, which we already have domestic manufacturing capabilities for [4] The citation here is to the effect that the manufacturing technology is already present in the US. This does not at all translate to the capability to produce these goods, in at least three respects: * Capacity of production (an industry manufacturing billions of goods requires at least new plants t…

Sure, it would cost the US to make a point to China that they find some of China's policies unacceptable in a trading partner, but it would also cost China - that's the point.

I am concerned with this statement appearing to make a misleading minimization of the cost on the US side, as if it was a simple matter of turning around to a different seller.

Re: China

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

fao_ wrote: post #407
perennate wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western media is diverse because they are not all controlled by the same government. For example, the China Daily US Edition is based in the NYC and therefore can be considered "Western media", but being owned by the CCP it obviously publishes pro-PRC propaganda. Obviously if you define "Western media" as newspapers providing a certain viewpoint then by definition your argument would be correct. But that isn't an int…

> Western media is diverse because they are not all controlled by the same government. The majority of American News can be traced back to 6 billionaires http://www.tiragraffi.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/thebig6....

> The majority of American News can be traced back to 6 billionaires

6 is more than one. A majority is not a totality. And not all Western media is American.

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Post by bzbarsky »

kick wrote: post #81
swlkr wrote: post #35

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I know this wasn't intended but I thought it was interesting that he doesn't think of the 1% as Americans.

They aren't, generally. Given the condition of the lowest of our nation, "traitors" isn't an unreasonable way to describe the 1%, and no one in the 1% has ever seen a firing squad or the electric chair. Not even lethal injection. If they aren't subject to the same rules as Americans, are they really Americans? If they have a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries, can they be considered anything but soverei…

1% of the US population is something like 3 million people; let's say about 2 million adults. Do you really think that there are 2 million adults in the US who have "a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries" and that the US should go and execute 2-3 million of its citizens?

Re: China

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Post by umeshunni »

kick wrote: post #81
swlkr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this wasn't intended but I thought it was interesting that he doesn't think of the 1% as Americans.

They aren't, generally. Given the condition of the lowest of our nation, "traitors" isn't an unreasonable way to describe the 1%, and no one in the 1% has ever seen a firing squad or the electric chair. Not even lethal injection. If they aren't subject to the same rules as Americans, are they really Americans? If they have a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries, can they be considered anything but soverei…

Why stop at 1% and not 5% or 10%?

Re: China

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Post by umeshunni »

bzbarsky wrote: post #424
kick wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't, generally. Given the condition of the lowest of our nation, "traitors" isn't an unreasonable way to describe the 1%, and no one in the 1% has ever seen a firing squad or the electric chair. Not even lethal injection. If they aren't subject to the same rules as Americans, are they really Americans? If they have a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries, can they be considered anything but soverei…

1% of the US population is something like 3 million people; let's say about 2 million adults. Do you really think that there are 2 million adults in the US who have "a higher amount of wealth than sovereign countries" and that the US should go and execute 2-3 million of its citizens?

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Re: China

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Post by hechang1997 »

notadamsmith wrote: post #96

I'm a Chinese. I admire your courage to post this article. But there's one thing that's fundamentally wrong in your article. Trading with China is, for now, beneficial to EVERYONE, including you, Drew DeVault, and the top 1% richest. Specialization and trading are the fundamental ways to advance the economy. Surely there will be blue collar workers in the US losing their jobs, but that's just how economy goes. We car…

Also a Chinese here, I think free trade and globalization should be coupled with strong domestic redistribution. Otherwise, inequality will go through the roof.

Re: China

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Post by hohohmm »

kick wrote: post #406
account73466 wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else to turn HN guys to do illegal and/or immoral privacy-related things if not to make them feel that they are doing the right thing?

Both of you are Han Chinese, judging by your post history, correct? While this may be intellectually hostile for you, it's certainly intellectually stimulating, and helpful to the people in your country who aren't of the ethnic majority (and to people of the ethnic majority outside of your country, in places like Taiwan, that your government desires to claim so strongly).

"If you can't convince with a real argument, bring ethnicity into the discussion to discredit."

Re: China

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Post by rlue »

natch wrote: post #360
philsnow wrote: post #296

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If the prisoners didn't consent to their organs being used (to bolster the health of the people who imprisoned them), they should not be used. Anything else sets up a perverse incentive to execute more undesirables.

The perverse incentive part makes sense. For the other part, I have trouble understanding why a dead person would care about anything after their death ...although I can understand them having wishes before death, but any such wishes should be weighed in context for their reasonableness given all factors.

It's not just about the rights of the person being executed, but also those of their loved ones.

You may say you wouldn't care if your dead carcass was, say, grotesquely abused for someone else's amusement—after all, you're dead and no longer around to have any feelings about it—but how would your children feel? How would you feel if that was the fate awaiting your life partner?

The shared endeavor of human society entitles people to dignity even in death. That includes the right to bodily integrity.

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Post by pnako »

brobinson wrote: post #326
baby wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot of mainland people in the US who think the western medias are all biased and that they are helping HK to separate from China.

What I've heard from PRC nationals in the US is that the CIA is behind the "riots". I'm assuming this is the narrative being pushed by the state-run media in the PRC.

The CIA would never do such a thing!
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