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Re: China

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Post by Aperocky »

mc32 wrote: post #2

>”It’s economically productive for the 1% to maintain a trade relationship with China. The financial incentives don’t help any Americans, and in fact, most of us are hurt by this relationship...” So true, since its inception with GHW, its execution and realization through Clinton and then once fully engaged the timid, supplicant responses from GW and BO, China has contributed to the stagnation of the blue collar work…

Speaking as if the jobs of the blue collar workers are going to come back, ever.

If China is an ocean instead it’s still gone, forever, either to other cheap country or robots.

It’s currently politically convenient to hate China, but quit blaming every woe on China.

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Post by Jarwain »

pcr910303 wrote: post #190

Er... why the fact that US is a net importer from China is a bad thing? (Admittedly, I'm not a US citizen, & I'm not really interested in US's trades so I don't know the numbers but...) I thought US was basically using China as a big factory? US's exports will decrease when manufactured in the US since China's cheap labor is allowing US goods to have a not-that-high price. So really the net-import from China is just…

From what I understand, the issue is dependence on an external source for those goods that we consume, and through that the implicit support for the Chinese Government & its current regime

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Post by uitersers »

novok wrote: post #129

I don't think that the cheaper goods that China gave the world only benefited the %1, and actually has helped a lot people in america and the world. I also don't think that the economic miracle that has happened in China is a bad thing, and they could of been more singaporean/south korean authoritarian vs. genocidal authoritarian to achieve it. I really want china to become another Japan or Korea eventually. I do agr…

I would say China is more like a modern day colonial America, with their own version of “manifest destiny” and treating the Uyghurs like how Native Americans were treated, by putting them into reservations and boarding schools [1] to and forcing them to assimilate.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_sch...

Re: China

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Post by scarmig »

gnomewascool wrote: post #155

I mostly agree with the substance and recommendations of the article, and greatly appreciate it. The following is just a quibble. > Let’s lay out the facts: China is conducting human rights violations on the largest scale the world has seen since Nazi Germany. Even if you ignore events like the Cambodian genocide by the Khmer rouge or the Rwandan genocide, on the basis that, while far more intensive, they affected a…

The Cultural Revolution was bad, but it caused "only" 1-2M deaths. Probably a stronger comparison would be the earlier Great Leap Forward, with 20-50M deaths.

But, yes, both are far greater human rights violations than what is happening now in mainland China.

Re: China

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Post by uitersers »

notadamsmith wrote: post #96

I'm a Chinese. I admire your courage to post this article. But there's one thing that's fundamentally wrong in your article. Trading with China is, for now, beneficial to EVERYONE, including you, Drew DeVault, and the top 1% richest. Specialization and trading are the fundamental ways to advance the economy. Surely there will be blue collar workers in the US losing their jobs, but that's just how economy goes. We car…

Samsung just announced they are moving some production back to China. Mainly ODM work for their lower end devices due to the cost.

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Post by camgunz »

dirtyid wrote: post #105

> Hong Kong have been constant allies to the West This is certainly an... interesting assertion. HK is the financial conduit that made Chinese rise possible, and the engine that powers Chinese financial influence abroad. HKers enabled this, not so much the generation that's protesting mind you, but most remotely affluent HK migrant in the past 30 years was the beneficiary to this arrangement. Overall, fairly lazy and…

> Propose and _demonstrate_ a better one.

Let's start with the very simple "have more than one viable political party". The CCP would never tolerate that. The rest of your comment is casual dismissal of "cultural genocide" and whataboutism. Rather than try and distract with transparently propagandist techniques, you should really consider reforms that the CCP could undertake to adhere to the rule of law and respect human rights in China. That at least would be constructive.

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Post by dh5 »

jayliew wrote: post #192

Tech people: Rant about egregious things that China and Russia does (political, freedom, basic human rights, etc.) Also tech people: Vehemently oppose helping the US DoD with their highly-sought after skills, sign online petitions, protest and/or quit their high-paying jobs at . Serious question for these tech people: What are you exactly doing to help solve the issues you've ranted about? I'd like to hear thoughtful…

I think it's a vocal minority that promotes those ideas and the rest follow because it's career suicide to go against it. I'm quite patriotic but not quite brave enough to go against the grain at this time.

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Post by Aperocky »

Aunche wrote: post #165
gregwebs wrote: post #59

I don't necessarily disagree with the article, I just want to point out that outside of the US others will readily view this line of thought as hypocritical and self-serving. As a US citizen, I try to consider how the rest of the world may view our actions (glass houses and all). Following the logic here it would make sense for the rest of the world to cutoff trade with the United States due to the Iraq war, which ha…

The US has always valued "principle" over actual results. In Iraq, Saddam was "evil", so he had to go, even though it would leave the entire country in the power vacuum and destroy the livelihoods of the average Iraqi. Ditto for Gaddafi in Libya. This post is much the same way. A poorer China is only going to deteriorate their human rights. A wealthier China is going to crave for more freedom. This happened in South…

> Many forget

They never knew, if lying by omission is a crime, all media is guilty of it.

Re: China

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Post by AdeptusAquinas »

Didn't the US blow up 30 afghani civilians a few months ago with drone strikes? Didn't even make the front page.

We all make deals with monsters for economic safety, or because there is near nothing we can do about it. That includes China AND the US.

Re: China

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Post by slowenough »

China doesn't want the protest to end. People who believe they are protesting China by supporting these terrorists and their activities in Hong Kong are only supporting the central government's plan.

The Hong Kong human rights and democracy act if enacted only supports the central government's position on Hong Kong. The unrest is an opportunity for Beijing. The media discourse suggests otherwise... only to the benefit of Beijing. Understand the true meaning of your position, so as not to look so foolish.

Or not, and keep supporting China ( I thank you ) but thinking you're not.

The world doesn't have to be unipolar.

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