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I know this wasn't intended but I thought it was interesting that he doesn't think of the 1% as Americans.

The 1% are above any state. They will align with any state that gives them favorable tax loopholes. If America clamps down they will just leave. Look at Eduardo Saverin for example.

I think you mean .01%. The 1% maybe have 1-10million of savings.

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#192
Tech people: Rant about egregious things that China and Russia does (political, freedom, basic human rights, etc.)

Also tech people: Vehemently oppose helping the US DoD with their highly-sought after skills, sign online petitions, protest and/or quit their high-paying jobs at .

Serious question for these tech people: What are you exactly doing to help solve the issues you've ranted about?

I'd like to hear thoughtful responses that are not the typical fallacies (e.g. ad hominem, ad populum, straw man, etc.)

Re: China

#193
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Not everyone is as materialistic as you. The goods you are talking about are luxury products we can do without - have you read of the sacrifices people make on the homefront during all out war? Even basic necessities such as food are rationed. To complain about not having the newest iPhone is a slap in the face of the sacrifices made by our ancestors in order to endure the world wars and stave off facism.

You will be surprised how materialistic the average American will be when their basic cost of living increases. I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your post, that you'd like to live like a WW2 soldier on the homefront rationing food without a phone? Or that you think there is majority support for your romanticised wartime lifestyle? The replies to my original post are getting increasingly strange and unhinged

Basic cost of living (housing, education, healthcare) has already sky rocketed.

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#194
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> Hong Kong is the place where humanity makes its stand against oppressors. Really? I didn’t know protesters targeted the local tycoons who made their lives unbearable in the past 20 years. Not to mention the humanity of laundering money for the worst thugs in the world. Perspective.

You may have heard reports of vandalism. I'm pretty sure the tycoons weren't too happy about their property getting damaged. They'd probably also like to keep the seats in Election Committee that they'd lose if universal suffrage were instated, but that the CCP has guaranteed them so far. https://www.elections.gov.hk/ecss2016/eng/figures.html If you think the protesters support tycoons because they oppose the CCP, yo…

Yes, this sounds reasonable, unlike the outcry over Communist oppression.

Re: China

#195

Full of bs that rides the trending US narrative on China. How much a self-fulfilling bubble of lies the western propaganda machine has weaved. Reading this article makes me feel like reading a white day dream that totally misses the reality, but checks all the right marks for the crusader mentality. I see how quickly this gets down voted. I guess the media is not to be blamed for fabricating all kinds of lies, for it…

News Guidelines:

Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: China

#196
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Liberal societies, such as the Bay Area (where I live), it’s impossible to criticize anyone without having the doubt of “offending” someone. When it comes to China, I can’t go out in the lunch room and openly criticize CCP because you know, I could “offend” a Chinese National. This needs to stop. I see this behavior on HN, which is frustrating, counterproductive, anti-free speech and extremely left-winged. Another pr…

You're being downvoted for expressing a contrarian viewpoint. This kind of censorship isn't even targeting hate speech, and it drives me crazy. Why downvote them?

Because he's criticizing liberals and most people on HN are liberals. Most censorship ("hate speech" included) is code for shutting your political opponents up. HN makes this really easy by making comments hard to read by removing contrast with the background as they get voted down; post something too much against the grain and it'll get flagged and hidden by default. When you hand users the power to shut those with whom they disagree up, it will inevitably be abused.

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#197
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I don't think that the cheaper goods that China gave the world only benefited the %1, and actually has helped a lot people in america and the world. I also don't think that the economic miracle that has happened in China is a bad thing, and they could of been more singaporean/south korean authoritarian vs. genocidal authoritarian to achieve it. I really want china to become another Japan or Korea eventually. I do agr…

There are a lot of details, and it's definitely the case that countries like India, China, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc. have benefited tremendously from economic development.

But it's also the case that the US (and most of the West) is experiencing levels of income and wealth inequality not seen since the beginning of the 20th century. The profits from these economic miracles is indeed going largely to a very small number of people, even in the aforementioned countries (China's poverty statistics are frightening, for example, even by their laughably low standards).

Re: China

#198
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Hey mods is there a particular reason this post is being penalized? As of writing it's #22 with 400 points in 1 hour, while #5 has 119 points in 3 hours.

Votes alone don't determine frontpage position and it's still on the front page, so clearly it's not being penalized. Some people probably flagged it too, as I did.

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#199
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, let's act. But is cutting trade ties with China the right way to achieve our goals? I disagree with the premise that starting an economic war is the right way to get China to change its policies.

What are the alternatives of not kinetic or economic? Sanctions of government officials? Cyber warfare?

Maybe not cyber warfare. But perhaps there are ways to give more and better uncensored information to Chinese citizens.

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#200
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I'm somewhere in that 99% of Americans, and I can tell you that "what keeps prices low for me" is very far from the top of my list of priorities. People have values and principles, that are important to us.

Honestly, I’m pretty sure if you asked some random person if they would be willing to not be able to afford anything for cutting the ties with everything made in china, they would refuse.

At the same time, I look at the ultra-cheap "deals" lists on Amazon and cringe at the amount of crap we compulsively order, all these "deals" for things we don't need that bring us little happiness beyond the brief ejaculatory pleasure of clicking "Checkout".
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