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Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by delfinom »

Jyaif wrote: post #162
Crinus wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

> i can imagine all the negative potential it has But you fail to imagine all the positive potential. Terabyte-sized games with 0 download time, more interactions between players, better graphics, no more cheating, no more piracy (which leads to more games or bigger games), and better utilized HW (which is good for your wallet and the environment), and obviously you can play wherever you want. Streaming games is the…

>Streaming games is the future, deal with it.

Modding keeps many PC games going for years. This just means most games will be dead after a few months of launch.

>better utilized HW (which is good for your wallet and the environment)

What koolaid are you drinking? Subscription services can cost you more over the long term than just buying. Tech isn't changing so fast anymore and the same goes for gaming. You can absolutely use the same setup for the last 6 years without any change other than wanting something new to get off on having.

>better graphics,

Why? Google is right now hardfocused on removing all visual fidelity because they need to compress fames as much as possible. The US has near permanent third world grade internet and it's not going to change anytime soon as long as 3 ISPs own most of the residential service. Wireless offering such as "5G" and Elon's pixie dust are only going to be make slight dents in the lack of high speed service.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by baud147258 »

krick wrote: post #583
Crinus wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

I'll suggest a longer term vision: no individual consumer will be able to afford any hardware needed to use anything more than a thin client. Games of the future will require more powerful hardware than what you are using now, but even your typical gaming computer of today will be not affordable in the future, simply because it won't be produced for mass market anymore. In effect, all your computations will be run on…

High quality graphics aren't that important to make good games. And any graphical improvement is having diminished returns. The jumps between PS1->PS2 and PS2->PS3 (using console because it's static comparison points, but it applies to PC game too) were noticeable and huge, but now each new generation bring smaller and smaller diminishing returns. And then there's all the games that don't go for cutting-edge graphics.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by clinth »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #321
clinth wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now, $130 is the only edition. I think the one you're talking about comes out next year.

We're talking about the fundamental value of the product, so the normal price matters a lot more than the preorder price.

I get where you're coming from, but go to Stadia's page. Click "Buy Now". You land at $130 plus $10/month with no other options. This isn't a future product or preorder, this is launch. The hardware and service are live right now. If you want to play: $130 plus $10/month.

I think this release structure is pretty daring. They're getting a lot of bad press, it's expensive, it's not a smooth experience. Also, if nobody gets on this holiday season, I'd expect game developers to throttle on putting money into optimizing for the platform, which would begin the platform death spiral.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by mrep »

headmelted wrote: post #181
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

Just no. "Stadia is the first offering that matches my needs of a Netflix for games" These services have existed for a while. OnLive failed because it was ahead of it's time, and lagged. GeForce Now is free, while it's still in beta. Project xCloud is free, while it's still in beta. Google Stadia is £120 down and a monthly fee... while it's clearly still in beta. "If Google doesn't drop the ball" Google already dropp…

> Google Stadia is £120 down and a monthly fee... while it's clearly still in beta

No, the beta was last year with assassins creed and that was free and they gave everyone a free copy of the game afterwords.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by lazydon »

When I saw the domain (th(e) reader) next to this post, I for a while thought it was a Google reader clone that's going to be lamenting about it. As in Google Reader was a product people actually wanted but it no longer exists as opposed to Google Stadia. Ah, how much I miss Google Reader to make this weird connection.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

Kaiyou wrote: post #612
krick wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll suggest a longer term vision: no individual consumer will be able to afford any hardware needed to use anything more than a thin client. Games of the future will require more powerful hardware than what you are using now, but even your typical gaming computer of today will be not affordable in the future, simply because it won't be produced for mass market anymore. In effect, all your computations will be run on…

Seeing how, imho, the best games of all time were all made in the 1990s, I don't think gaming is all that reliant on powerful hardware.

Agree with your point but I'd say 1980s!

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by jowsie »

ativzzz wrote: post #578
suby wrote: post #444

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I'm sure a lot of people feel the same as you, but I very much disagree. If games aren't art worth preserving, then neither is television, movies, music, etc. I don't see how one can claim those mediums are art but games are somehow not.

> If games aren't art worth preserving, then neither is television, movies, music, etc They're not, unless you're willing to pay extra for them to be. Netflix is not preservable, DVDs are. Spotify is not preservable, CDs/MP3s are. Most of the stuff we watch/listen to is on non-preservable media, and for the most part, we don't care. If you really love a certain movie or song/album, you will buy it separately. Why not…

The issue with this is that Netflix/Spotify are pay once monthly, and consume whatever you want whenever you want.

With Stadia, you pay once monthly, and then you pay for the game on top of that cost. The same price you'd pay if you bought the game for any other platform, which also has the benefit of letting you own the game (physical copies, files downloaded to hardware you own).

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by theelous3 »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

It's going to look and feel like shit, so it's not the cheapest way to get an optimal experience at all, because an optimal experience isn't possible on stadia. If you're fine with a poorer experience then ok, but you are part of a weirdly small market. "People who play a game that can take hundreds of hours, but are not willing to spend money for the experience to be good, but also have enough money to happily early adopt subscription services."

Doesn't sound like a group that can support a massive ecosystem.

Also, it's 2019. Downloading games only takes a few minutes, and installation takes seconds.

You can buy a pc for like 500-600$ that will beat stadia, and you get to keep it. Probably even cheaper actually.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by EpicEng »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

>I don't care if gamers nor teenagers want it, as long as developers make money and people like me use it the business model will work.

But it won't, because if 'gamers' and teenagers don't want it, people like you won't be enough to support it.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by bathtub365 »

taneq wrote: post #505
ukyrgf wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need a "multi-hundred-dollar GPU" to play modern games. I built my first computer 15 years ago for $500 using a $120 GPU. 10 years ago I upgraded it with a $120 GPU. 4 years ago I upgraded that with a $120 GPU. It should support VR, but I imagine when that tech has matured I'll want to pick up another $120 GPU.

You're not "running modern games" at any kind of acceptable frame rate and quality on a 15 year old CPU. And you absolutely aren't running VR on a 15 year old CPU even if you have a 4 year old GPU that technically fits within the minimum requirements.

You likely aren’t running VR on Stadia, either, as it doesn’t support VR.
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