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Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by Baneofbatman »

dllthomas wrote: post #335
Baneofbatman wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem with making zero tolerance the ultimate goal of society. Either we accept there will always be a few bad apples or everyone has to prove they aren't one of them.

Nit, but it's a pet peeve of mine: The saying is "A few bad apples spoil the barrel", meaning "be vigilant about bad apples and get rid of them ASAP." I'm baffled and frustrated by the tendency to use "a few bad apples" as if the saying were "a few bad apples are no big deal, get rid of them if you happen to notice." I actually don't think reasoning from vague analogy and folk wisdom is all that great an idea, but re…

You're overthinking my point. I don't care about the folk wisdom of bad apples.

I was just using it as a way of expressing the issue at the centre of aiming to have a zero tolerance society.

Not tolerating misconduct will always lead to ever increasing intrusion into our lives and people that choose not to take part where they can will automatically be viewed with suspicion for it because the ignorant assumption is only people with something to hide would do that.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by dllthomas »

Baneofbatman wrote: post #471
dllthomas wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nit, but it's a pet peeve of mine: The saying is "A few bad apples spoil the barrel", meaning "be vigilant about bad apples and get rid of them ASAP." I'm baffled and frustrated by the tendency to use "a few bad apples" as if the saying were "a few bad apples are no big deal, get rid of them if you happen to notice." I actually don't think reasoning from vague analogy and folk wisdom is all that great an idea, but re…

You're overthinking my point. I don't care about the folk wisdom of bad apples. I was just using it as a way of expressing the issue at the centre of aiming to have a zero tolerance society. Not tolerating misconduct will always lead to ever increasing intrusion into our lives and people that choose not to take part where they can will automatically be viewed with suspicion for it because the ignorant assumption is o…

I wasn't addressing your point. I was addressing your wording.

It's picking a nit - I acknowledged that in the very first sentence of my response.

Argue for what you want to argue for - I probably agree. Just don't use that phrase that way. Or do - just know that you will be annoying me (and apparently others - my comment got more upvotes than it deserved) and distracting at least some of your audience from your argument.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by Baneofbatman »

dllthomas wrote: post #472
Baneofbatman wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overthinking my point. I don't care about the folk wisdom of bad apples. I was just using it as a way of expressing the issue at the centre of aiming to have a zero tolerance society. Not tolerating misconduct will always lead to ever increasing intrusion into our lives and people that choose not to take part where they can will automatically be viewed with suspicion for it because the ignorant assumption is o…

I wasn't addressing your point. I was addressing your wording. It's picking a nit - I acknowledged that in the very first sentence of my response. Argue for what you want to argue for - I probably agree. Just don't use that phrase that way. Or do - just know that you will be annoying me (and apparently others - my comment got more upvotes than it deserved) and distracting at least some of your audience from your argu…

Clearly you understood the intent behind my wording.

How would you have worded an analogy that you would consider more appropriate?

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by 22c »

black_puppydog wrote: post #449
asymmetric wrote: post #370

A .torrent file hosted by the Internet Archive, since DDOSecret is apparently being DDOSed: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://data.ddosecrets.com/fi...

This size of dataset does seem to me like a good case of why the current torrent format is lacking. Many people might be interested in generally seeding for this torrent, and maybe pulling some of the files. But few are actually going to download the full 2TB. At the moment, I can select individual files to download and seed, ignoring the rest, but I cannot say "download what I want, and then seed random blocks up to…

I agree with what you're saying, although there is not really a reason why this can't be done with BT client-side. It's just that, AFAIK, no torrent client supports this.

BT will, by default, prefer to download the least popular blocks. Client-side just needs a setting to "stop downloading after X blocks", divide your 1TB by the block size, and that's how many blocks you need to download to get 1TB.

I will add though, unfortunately with this torrent (at least the one that I am attempting to download), simply seeding a certain number of blocks is not very helpful. The files are mostly in a few giant zip files.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by dllthomas »

Baneofbatman wrote: post #473
dllthomas wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't addressing your point. I was addressing your wording. It's picking a nit - I acknowledged that in the very first sentence of my response. Argue for what you want to argue for - I probably agree. Just don't use that phrase that way. Or do - just know that you will be annoying me (and apparently others - my comment got more upvotes than it deserved) and distracting at least some of your audience from your argu…

Clearly you understood the intent behind my wording. How would you have worded an analogy that you would consider more appropriate?

The simplest change would probably be "bad actors".

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by feanaro »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #440
feanaro wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the world itself worked rather well. That must either mean that taxing working well is not necessary for the world to work well or that it worked better than you are implying.

What does 'worked well' mean? If you measure anything, infant mortality, poverty, murder rates, diseases, nutrition, education, which of them fit any sensible definition of 'well'?

This question works both ways. If a radical change is being argued for, such as total financial surveillance without possibility of anonymous transactions, then I would expect the person making the argument to put forward a benchmark showing that total financial surveillance is making the world better.

In my case, "worked well" meant something like a mix of: a) the world did not end, and b) everyday life in developed societies (which previously did not have total financial surveillance, but are now eager to achieve it) was more or less the same then as it is today.

In fact, to expand on b), it seems to me (admittedly from a completely intuitive and unquantified perspective) that we are quickly losing civil liberties today and that this aspect was better in the past.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by feanaro »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #382
feanaro wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the world itself worked rather well. That must either mean that taxing working well is not necessary for the world to work well or that it worked better than you are implying.

You're aware that depending on where you are in the world you can sample a vast range of development levels, so where exactly do you wish to move to have this well functioning society where people are taxed on trust alone?

I never implied taxing on trust alone, I'm simply arguing against total financial surveillance. Taxing in the mid-20th century did not rely on trust alone and it was a nice mix of trust and manual investigation in suspicious cases. I think such a mix is optimal for a predominant number of human activities and total surveillance should (almost?) never be reached for.

You can apply the same style of reasoning to end-to-end encryption. Various actors are aiming for total surveillance in that area too, it is most likely a terrible idea and we have precedent that the world works reasonably well without it.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by arminiusreturns »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #464
arminiusreturns wrote: post #263

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Here's the thing. While most people on HN tend to be in the global top performers when it comes to IT, the vast majority of businesses are simply ripe, low hanging fruit just waiting to be breached, and almost every time it is because of a failure of management to understand the importance of those things. Way too many 60 year old men who barely know how to use a computer are at the top of orgs, and are stuck in the…

> I also put a lot of this on the heads of IT directors or senior sysadmins, who are failing to convey the importance of the matter to those C-levels in terms they understand. Why? Understanding the risks involved before making a decision is the responsibility of executives. If they calculate that the risks are minimal and crackers prove them wrong by causing damage to the tune of millions, they have only themselves…

I'm torn on this one, because for years I took your position... but there were numerable times I saw directors/seniors fail to convey that information in an understandable way when the C's might have been open to it when presented differently. There are certain cases were the C's don't listen at all, and theres not much that can be done, but there are also cases where the C's just haven't been presented the information properly.

This is why I am increasingly putting importance on the skills of the Director or CTO/CIO position, because they need to be the kind of person who can handle the board/meeting room but still understand the tech enough to a) not be fooled or lied to and b) understand the real business risks and weigh them properly while overseeing the implementation of solutions.

So I understand and am sympathetic to your point, but I think there is a lot more nuance there. Yes, ultimately the buck stops at the C's, but as the sysadmin who has failed to talk to them well, I still feel like we could do a much better job on our end. This is why I think a lot of more senior devs/ops types of people could do extremely well in the C positions if they got their MBA and had a C-level mentor. Trying to do the opposite, where you try to tech-ize a traditional MBA C-type fails much more often in my opinion, but, that's who dominates those positions. I see market opportunity!

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by shakna »

feanaro wrote: post #477
SiempreViernes wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're aware that depending on where you are in the world you can sample a vast range of development levels, so where exactly do you wish to move to have this well functioning society where people are taxed on trust alone?

I never implied taxing on trust alone , I'm simply arguing against total financial surveillance. Taxing in the mid-20th century did not rely on trust alone and it was a nice mix of trust and manual investigation in suspicious cases. I think such a mix is optimal for a predominant number of human activities and total surveillance should (almost?) never be reached for. You can apply the same style of reasoning to end-t…

> How else do you propose taxation is assured? Blind trust?

> Sure, why not? It has worked for many years before.

Taxing on trust alone is exactly where this little thread started.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by zilian »

_8j50 wrote: post #246
zilian wrote: post #139

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You must be rich to talk like that. Rich people generally emit a f#ckton of co2 and worse, they do not use their wealth to try to mitigate it, thereby condemning their own children.

Not rich, not poor. You're generalizing and stereotyping. If what you say is true then it seems your law makers are failing to implement laws that curtail CO2 emissions by rich people? People can do anything legal with their money, if it shouldn't be allowed why is it legal? It seems you're taking a morao high ground against the rich, which is fine so long as you realize rich people are not above the law and even if…

Oh yes, they are failing, and I can explain you why. We are in a deadlock in my country regarding elected representatives because the baby boomers vote and they are in greater number than us youngs, so the policy will always be conservative and economically liberal. Basically old conservatives control our future even if they have less life remaining than us on this Earth. (That's how I conceived a new democratic process by the way - amount of votes = number of years remaining in your life expectancy. Maybe a first solution offered to you to give younglings a chance about their future ?). Democracies do have power, but they lack a lot of will.

Add to that lobbies and economic agents controlling elected officials so they keep believing in the eternal growth lullaby, and yes - they ARE failing to implement laws that curtail CO2 emissions by rich people/powerful corporations. I really don't see how that's surprising or subject to debate - everything observable around us is in favor of this argument.

I'm not taking a moral high ground, the problem is systemic and I don't accuse anyone in particular. Rich people, not above the law ? Yeah... I won't answer that because I don't believe it to be true, but I cannot formally prove it.

Oh we do have solutions but you wouldn't like those. Carbon taxes, unlawful to eat meat besides on weekends, mandatory carbon offset of long-distance and/or plane trips, unlawful to advertise in public spaces and I have a whole lot more for you - but they will never get implemented ;)

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