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Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by vagab0nd »

goda90 wrote: post #241
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #239

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It's been my experience that most places can reduce volume levels (music, theaters etc) about 10-15% without loss of experience or fidelity and I have taken to actually asking managers to turn down volume because my ears actually hurt . It's loud for the sake of loud. I can't understand why the music in a restaurant needs to be so loud that I have to scream at the people at my table to be heard. Obviously we're screa…

I've gone to two rock concerts that the volume was so loud that is was distorting the music. Of course my ears hurt, so I took to covering them a bit. My friend often goes to concerts and wasn't phased at all. I imagine the people in charge of sound have already lost some hearing, and they don't care if it sounds great or not.

Same. I've had this happen to me twice. Once I was sitting in the back and farthest away from the sound source, but it was still so bad I had to leave. Now I don't go to any concerts without a pair of ear plugs.

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Post by stubish »

pedrocr wrote: post #129

Finding a cure or treatment for tinnitus would be awesome. I have a very mild case from a few too many loud concerts. What I find amazing is how we don't attack the source of the problem much that I can see. Concerts, clubs, fireworks, even movies blast away above any reasonable level, causing damage to large parts of the population. We all just get progressively damaged hearing bit by bit. And yet there's very littl…

Not all tinnitus is caused by loud noise. While certainly worth reducing the incidence of 'self inflicted' and work related tinnitus, lots of people just get it from illness or age related hearing loss.

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Post by crummy »

Cuckoo123 wrote: post #272
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #239

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It's been my experience that most places can reduce volume levels (music, theaters etc) about 10-15% without loss of experience or fidelity and I have taken to actually asking managers to turn down volume because my ears actually hurt . It's loud for the sake of loud. I can't understand why the music in a restaurant needs to be so loud that I have to scream at the people at my table to be heard. Obviously we're screa…

I'd always assumed (maybe wrongly) that restaurants and bars played music loudly so that patrons couldn't hold a proper conversation, and thus, drank more instead.

Sorry for the poor source, but according to one study at least that does seem to be the case.

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/11/14/loud-music-drink...

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Post by Cuckoo123 »

crummy wrote: post #303
Cuckoo123 wrote: post #272

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I'd always assumed (maybe wrongly) that restaurants and bars played music loudly so that patrons couldn't hold a proper conversation, and thus, drank more instead.

Sorry for the poor source, but according to one study at least that does seem to be the case. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/11/14/loud-music-drink...

It cites what sounds like pretty credible research. Although they could have probably got the same research by asking any group of 40yr+ cynics. :)

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Post by dzhiurgis »

pas wrote: post #287
goda90 wrote: post #241

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I've gone to two rock concerts that the volume was so loud that is was distorting the music. Of course my ears hurt, so I took to covering them a bit. My friend often goes to concerts and wasn't phased at all. I imagine the people in charge of sound have already lost some hearing, and they don't care if it sounds great or not.

Use party earplugs, even the low grade ~20 bucks version is night-and-day. Some concerts/parties/clubs are definitely purposely too loud. Yes, many people going are already hearing-compromised.

Soundsystem parties are designed to have so much base it vibrates your body.

If you go there without earplugs someone will offer you napkins as otherwise you’ll get tinnitus.

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Post by idonotknowwhy »

hluska wrote: post #124
cevn wrote: post #82

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I hear it right now. Doesn't everyone?

I’m not sure how old you are, but can 42 year old me give you some advice? Go get a hearing test. If I would have known about my tinnitus at 22, I would have a noticeably higher quality of life at 42...

I know I have tinnitus in one ear, it happened at a nightclub when I stood to close to a speaker. This was 10 years ago.

I'm perfectly happy with my condition, it's not getting worse and it's not preventing me from doing anything day to day.

What good would getting my hearing tested now do me in the future?

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Post by debatem1 »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #278
ubercow13 wrote: post #225

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Have you heard how loud an unamplified acoustic drum kit is in a small venue? It would be loud enough to damage your ears alone. On top of that for many kinds of music, drums have to be amplified to give them a certain sound. Then everything else has to be brought up to that volume.

Yes, and "they just need to turn it down" is certainly oversimplified. Roughly speaking, nobody considers "it's too loud" a significant problem, and so nobody puts in any effort to solve it at any level, including venue design. I was mostly responding to the silly statement that people who think it's loud must be "cuddling speakers".

Note that I didn't say that. I said that there were multiple reasons why it wasn't "insane" that people play live music loudly, and that if you wanted to cuddle the speakers you would need to wear earplugs. I also noted that some bands will play deliberately loudly with no regard for the venue in another post.

In the end, if you want to stay at volumes that are safe for your ears without protection you will need to select your style of music, band, venue, and location in that venue with at least a modicum of care. Personally I prefer to wear the earplugs.

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Post by debatem1 »

kick wrote: post #186
lazyasciiart wrote: post #155

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Sure, you shouldn't expect to cuddle the speakers - but I go to live shows in small venues where I'm trying to dig myself into the wall at the furthest point from the speakers because it's too loud. They just need to turn it down.

Or you could just not go. There's no reason other people should have to compensate for your sensitivity and lack of willingness to wear hearing protection.

Given how difficult it is for a small band to make money, I don't think anyone who really cares about music should be telling folks to stay home.

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Post by wildrhythms »

pas wrote: post #289
xvector wrote: post #119

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Nope, that's tinnitus. But it's a fairly common condition.

What's the typical onset? (Since I remember <10 years old, I heard some noise and just accepted it as amplifier-like-no-signal-noise, even though regular hearing tests measured above average hearing. Though they don't cover the whole audible spectrum usually :/)

Were you ever in a school band? I was in every band class the school offered from grade 6 thru 12 and I attribute my tinnitus to constant loud instruments every day in those enclosed spaces. Four of those years I sat directly in front of the percussion section in a tiered seating layout, where my ears were exposed to snare drum and cymbals from mere feet away. I have constant ringing in both ears... fortunately it isn’t debilitating for me. I hope awareness around ear protection continues to grow.
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