How to Disagree
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How to Disagree
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#2 I disagree because HN deletes all my post.
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#4I was just imagining how different hacker news would be if there were tags on each comment/post indicating what levels of disagreement hierarchy are contained within. I can't imagine a practical way to implement it but imagine the effect it would have on discourse if people were constantly reminded what they were reading/writing.
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#5I haven't seen this essay for a while. I thought I'd lost it, and I could not find the bookmark which linked to it. Very useful. Thank you, rms.
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#6Complementing that essay somewhat, a list of fallacies:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_falla...
And cognitive biases: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_cogni...
Although not all are equally bad.
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#7Complementing that essay somewhat, a list of fallacies: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_falla... And cognitive biases: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_cogni... Although not all are equally bad.
I've found that a lot of the listed fallacies can have charitable interpretations.
A strawman argument where A proposes X and B attacks Y instead of attacking X can often be a case where X indirectly leads to Y and person B assumes that it is known that X leads to Y. Or, X is just Y in disguise. So it's not necessarily a matter of being fallacious, but fully formalizing an argument is often not feasible, so you take shortcuts. If you formalized the argument too much, it gets boring and people stop listening/reading.
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#8I was just imagining how different hacker news would be if there were tags on each comment/post indicating what levels of disagreement hierarchy are contained within. I can't imagine a practical way to implement it but imagine the effect it would have on discourse if people were constantly reminded what they were reading/writing.
It would make me feel constantly judged, arbitrarily even (because how would you ensure level-headed tagging?). It'd be as bad as downvoting, which is deliberately not possible on HN (with few exceptions).
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#9I was just imagining how different hacker news would be if there were tags on each comment/post indicating what levels of disagreement hierarchy are contained within. I can't imagine a practical way to implement it but imagine the effect it would have on discourse if people were constantly reminded what they were reading/writing.
That sounds like a fun NLP project. But given the less than stellar performance I've seen in those types of programs you'd probably either need to accept a lot of false positives or a lot of false negatives. Except for the clear "u r a fag!!!!!!!!!!" cases.
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#10I was just imagining how different hacker news would be if there were tags on each comment/post indicating what levels of disagreement hierarchy are contained within. I can't imagine a practical way to implement it but imagine the effect it would have on discourse if people were constantly reminded what they were reading/writing.
It would make me feel constantly judged, arbitrarily even (because how would you ensure level-headed tagging?). It'd be as bad as downvoting, which is deliberately not possible on HN (with few exceptions).
I was assuming po meant some automatic system. If you wanted to use humans maybe you could have moderators do it.
I agree that it'd be dangerous to let anyone tag. People on YouTube usually mark anything they disagree with as spam. Hopefully it wouldn't be the same here though.
After reading your comment I realized I've seen downvoted comments but I can't downvote. Is there a karma requirement?