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Post by seangrogg »

corodra wrote: post #412
seangrogg wrote: post #362

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Some of us vacation to relax in our own way. I like to go to Vegas because I find it enjoyable to gamble, chill at the pools in Mandalay Bay, and day drink. If I've hit my cap for those things for the day and I'm still awake I'd much rather spend the remainder of my waking hours playing games than pretending I want to see yet another Cirque show. This isn't a defense of Stadia, mind you. Just that vacation can mean d…

Hey, when I first visited Vegas, landed at noon, drunk by 2, vomiting by 4, asleep by 5, woke up with a hangover at 10. First time I went from sober, to drunk to hungover in the same calendar day. Fat Tuesdays margaritas man... so good... but will knock you clean the fuck out like Tyson. But... seriously though... I like video games too. But not that much. The whole escape reality, I get it. I enjoy it too. But, if y…

> But, if you are escaping reality more often than you are in it... that's a problem.

I do spend quite a bit of time escaping from reality and I do agree it's a problem.

The greater SF Bay area suffers from a large amount of empty virtue signaling and shaming others into their morality while remaining apathetic to others plights. Work, while having the potential to be exhilarating, often descends into the myopic and uninspired. Passion projects I want to work on could potentially be wrenched from me by the company I work for via employment agreement which stifles creative desires outside of work. Friends and loved ones aren't available to me on-demand (and I respect that they have their own respective lives to live).

Meanwhile, there are virtual worlds that I can still explore. Mechanics I can break. People I can meet. Adventures I can have. And if I feel like slicing someone down as an seductive shade-lady on a magical battlefield I can do so with the comfort of knowing I'm not actually hurting anyone else in the process, ego notwithstanding. When life starts offering me these opportunities for near-free (or around $1500 for around 4000 hours of entertainment, I suppose) I'll take them gleefully. Until then, reality can stand to evolve a bit.

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Post by touchpadder »

dwild wrote: post #273
touchpadder wrote: post #249

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As an author of a browser game https://bad.city I noticed that over the last 5 years browser performance became 10x faster. The game currently works at 60fps, even on 2 year old Galaxy Note and has 0ms lag. With web workers and web assembly soon we'll see AAA games running in the browser on any device. No need to download 50gb game when you can progressively stream the 3d models in real time while playing and it will…

> With web workers and web assembly soon we'll see AAA games running in the browser on any device. I heard something similar to that for the past 10 years at least. > you can progressively stream the 3d models in real time while playing People were amazed of the speed at which models loaded using an SSD instead of a mechanical hard drive... and that was when games were in the 5 GB range. Loading time is latency too.…

Turbofan optimisations, SharedArrayBuffer, Web Assembly really impacted performance of my game engine. With enough assets it's already possible to make GTA V complexity and quality game running in the browser. The biggest progress in browsers and webgl performance happened in the last 3 years so it doesn't matter what you've been hearing 10 years ago. It already happened and is possible NOW, even on phones.

"Loading time is latency too" no it isn't. It doesn't matter if you're getting closer to an object and in the distance it fades in(or loads higher LOD) even with 500ms delay. But in streaming game as a video when the whole gameplay is delayed by 300ms it already makes entire competitive game unplayable.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by rsweeney21 »

I want Stadia. A couple of weekends ago I wanted to play games with my kids. We have 4 PS4s and we were going to play Destiny together.

The wonderful family time never happened. We spent 2 hours waiting for updates to the PS4 so we could connect to the playstation store to download Destiny. We then spent 3 hours waiting for Destiny to download (60GB IIRC). By the time everything had downloaded and updated the moment was gone.

We don't play games often, but when we try to, we spend all the time we had waiting for updates.

Stadia solves a real problem.

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Post by imtringued »

Jyaif wrote: post #162
Crinus wrote: post #113

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> the lack of a long term vision How about this for a long term vision: any game you buy now will be totally lost in the future ("long term") when Google decides to shut down the service (which happens all the time) or deactivate your account (which also happens all the time) while developers will have moved on and/or closed and wont give a second thought about. In the meanwhile, while Stadia exists, any games will b…

> i can imagine all the negative potential it has But you fail to imagine all the positive potential. Terabyte-sized games with 0 download time, more interactions between players, better graphics, no more cheating, no more piracy (which leads to more games or bigger games), and better utilized HW (which is good for your wallet and the environment), and obviously you can play wherever you want. Streaming games is the…

>no more piracy (which leads to more games or bigger games)

That doesn't make any sense. Where is that money supposed to come from? People who aren't buying your games are not your customers so denying service to them does nothing for your bottom line.

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Post by scarejunba »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #16
ryandvm wrote: post #6

Stadia exists because Google is a perpetual spaghetti throwing machine. Mainframe-style gaming is possible and they have the resources to try it so... here we are. If it doesn't take off, Google will have no problem killing the program in 3 or 4 years. That said, I really don't see the problem with this strategy. It surely makes much more sense than having an ever growing stable of also-ran offerings. The upshot of c…

>Android, Maps, GSuite All of these products have existed for 5+ years. What recent thing has Google brought to the table that actually stuck?

Google Fi, the Nexus and Pixel lines, Google Play Music, Google Home, Protobuf, Guava, ReCaptcha, TensorFlow, Google Assistant, Android Auto, Chromecast, Google Tag Manager, Google Chrome, Google Flights, Google Translate, Google Domains.

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Post by bronco21016 »

executive wrote: post #418
corodra wrote: post #351

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I'm seeing this a lot and don't understand... where the hell are you people travelling where bringing a console/game system is a concern? I travel for work or for vacation. If for work, I'm there hitting "Spit money out for me" at an ATM. Not gaming. I'm not home so I can make much better money in a short timespan to enjoy home time more. End of days is visiting restaurants/bars and either socializing or schmoozing c…

Vacation is the only time I game. Wonder how Stadia plays on the plane.

Maybe one day the airlines will offer Starlink based broadband on-board. Then you might have a chance.

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Post by madrox »

No matter how you look at it, Stadia is going to be an interesting business study in a couple years. It's clear publishers don't care about it. Fun fact: when I last checked, all the publishers that are launch partners all have Google Cloud accounts. I suspect game publishers are in this for the free servers, not because they believe in the platform.

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Post by Grzegrzolka »

I'm a lifelong gamer (since 1996), currently have PC that only has weak integrated GPU so I cant play much, but super speedy 500mbs fiber internet connection and 80mbs LTE on the phone. I look like ideal Stadia client, right? Well, no. I'm not interested in slightest, I'm waiting passionately for PS5. Current internet technology (latency) is not enough to make cloud gaming possible, you can instantly feel this 140+ ms of delay. Other than that, Google don't know jack shit about games, you can clearly see it in Stadia announcment conference. Good luck, I give it 1.5 year and nobody will remember what "Stadia" is.
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