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Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by krzyk »

blueski wrote: post #161
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

The cheapest way to do it is buying a secondhand XBox/PS4/Switch + games for very little on Craigslist, and putting it back on there when you get bored (if that's within 6 months, I'd be surprised if you lost much). Or just keeping it and enjoying no input lag, no requirement for a subscription, no chance of the manufacturer bricking the device in future, and a huge secondhand market for games. Unless I really want t…

But what should I do if I hate using conrollers? I'm a mouse+keyboard person can I use it on any console to play games?

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by TylerE »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

> It will be the most enjoyable option too

No it will not be, because latency exists. It will be the opposite of enjoyable unless you like feeling motion sick.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by turtlebits »

krzyk wrote: post #299
turtlebits wrote: post #293

"Gamers" don't want Stadia. And all the negative reviews of Stadia are by people who already have console/gaming PCs. It's targeted for those that don't have either, like me. I carry my Pixelbook everywhere and would be nice to play games on it. I don't want another device to carry around and don't have the time or patience to wait for patches/updates or the ridiculous storage requirements games have nowadays. The on…

Controller and chromecast is for console guys, we laptop owners can use mouse+keyboard + chrome browser to play. But this will be available later, unless you want o throw $130 for just 3 months of Stadia Pro (and a controller+chromecast that will gather dust).

You need both to play at launch. Seems more like an early adopter tax - they could have just provided an update to the existing Chromecast Ultra and let you use a Bluetooth controller.

Heck, I'd shell out the $130 if was in the form of prepaid credit or something else. I don't want 2 more devices - and I'm not interested in playing on my TV.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by duskwuff »

ssully wrote: post #295
odessacubbage wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the fact that google is trying to to use a fighting game to showcase their product should tell you everything you need to know about their understanding of the market.

Can you elaborate on this comment? I really don't understand what you are trying to say

Fighting games are highly latency-sensitive, to the extent that many fighting game tournaments are played on CRTs (because image processing on flatscreen TVs introduces additional frames of latency). They're practically a worst case for a streaming video game service.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by gamblor956 »

turtlebits wrote: post #293

"Gamers" don't want Stadia. And all the negative reviews of Stadia are by people who already have console/gaming PCs. It's targeted for those that don't have either, like me. I carry my Pixelbook everywhere and would be nice to play games on it. I don't want another device to carry around and don't have the time or patience to wait for patches/updates or the ridiculous storage requirements games have nowadays. The on…

Good luck finding public WiFi with sufficient bandwidth and latency to let you play Stadia out and about...

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by mrep »

turtlebits wrote: post #293

"Gamers" don't want Stadia. And all the negative reviews of Stadia are by people who already have console/gaming PCs. It's targeted for those that don't have either, like me. I carry my Pixelbook everywhere and would be nice to play games on it. I don't want another device to carry around and don't have the time or patience to wait for patches/updates or the ridiculous storage requirements games have nowadays. The on…

> The only part that stumps me is why you need pay $130 for a controller and a Chromecast with "special" software on it. Isn't the whole premise that you don't need dedicated hardware to play games?

That is for the premier founders edition. The free one is coming next year [0].

[0 ctr-f base]: https://store.google.com/product/stadia_learn

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by reaperducer »

skohan wrote: post #234
kyrra wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $129 starting bundle gives you a controller ($69), and a Chromecast Ultra ($69), which is... $138. Plus the bundle gives 3 months of "Stadia Pro" which is the 4k streaming support (plus other goodies). So the $129 is more of a starter bundle. If you just want to play on your phone or PC, it's free (outside the cost of buying games). You can plug a PS4 or XBox controller into your PC, or pair them with your phone…

Of course if you buy the XBox bundle, you pay once and you can play Red Dead Redemption 2 as long as you want in 4k. If I get Stadia and want to keep playing my game in 4k a year from now, I have to sign on to a monthly fee.

If I get Stadia and want to keep playing my game in 4k a year from now, I have to sign on to a monthly fee.

This past weekend I played Outlaw on my Atari 2600. Assuming I paid $40 when it came out, that means I paid 8¢/month for that game.

Talk about value!

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by dmix »

Sunray might have failed but there were tons of companies who used Windows thin client machines successfully...Oracle/Larry Ellison made a big deal about it.

Obviously they all switched back to fat clients but Sunray wasn't the only one who tried it and some made a lot of money while it lasted.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by yathern »

TylerE wrote: post #302
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #36

I want Stadia. I've read reviews yesterday and was amazed by the lack of a long term vision from the reviewers. If Google doesn't drop the ball (which is a huge if knowing the company's history), Stadia makes a lot of sense. I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2, the cheapest way to do that as I don't have a console nor an expensive computer is Stadia. And when I will want to play Cyberpunk 2077, Stadia will be the ch…

> It will be the most enjoyable option too No it will not be, because latency exists. It will be the opposite of enjoyable unless you like feeling motion sick.

Latency is of course the biggest concern. Recent videos I saw do not indicate they have a good solution to latency. I'd absolutely love if they used some sort of 'asynchronous reprojection' like you see in VR.

Essentially, send a depth buffer along with video data, and let the client reproject frames before it gets the next keyframe from the server. It can help solve input lag for movement and turning. Not so much for things like shooting.

Re: "Google Stadia is not a product that exists because people want it"

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Post by dmix »

ryandvm wrote: post #6

Stadia exists because Google is a perpetual spaghetti throwing machine. Mainframe-style gaming is possible and they have the resources to try it so... here we are. If it doesn't take off, Google will have no problem killing the program in 3 or 4 years. That said, I really don't see the problem with this strategy. It surely makes much more sense than having an ever growing stable of also-ran offerings. The upshot of c…

> Google will have no problem killing the program in 3 or 4 years.

Probably a good reason not to invest in the controller/chromecast just use your laptop for now until it matures and we see if Google actually commits to it and the game library increases.

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