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Re: USS Pueblo

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I always wonder about claims like this where one nation says a ship was within their borders and the other nation says it was in international waters. This USS Pueblo is one incident. Israel attacked a Turkish ship in international waters. Iran attacked oil tankers in international waters. All these incidents ... I can't help but think we never grow up as human beings all the way until becoming international super po…

> Israel attacked a Turkish ship in international waters. Like they did the USS Liberty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

And the SS African Glen.

Re: USS Pueblo

#73

I have been on the USS Pueblo. When I was in North Korea, this was one of the many military monuments that foreign visitors were required to tour when visiting the country. The guides who took us on this boat made sure to emphasize how this was an armed warship that was committing an act of international aggression and violating a sovereign nation's borders, and which was captured by an heroic North Korean military m…

What nationality are you and when did you visit N. Korea?

Aside from South Korea, which may not be prohibited, I don't think there were any nationalities that couldn't visit, until a Sept 2017 US State Department travel ban on US citizens. The company I went with in 2013 is respecting the ban, but I'm not sure if or how it would actually be enforced.

Re: USS Pueblo

#75
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Great feedback ! From your first sentence, i assume you are american ? Would you recommend it to non americans that wish to enter us soil within the decade ?

Correct, and yep would highly recommend going. Tough to imagine it causing an issue getting into the US, as the trip originates/terminates in China and doesn't get you a passport stamp. (Disclaimer: US immigration politics are crazy right now, so obviously take all that with a healthy grain of salt)

It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to go after reading about the case of Otto Warmbier[1]. There are plenty of interesting and exciting places to visit in the world that don't put you at the mercy of DPRK officials and their reaction to geopolitical events.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier

Re: USS Pueblo

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, and yep would highly recommend going. Tough to imagine it causing an issue getting into the US, as the trip originates/terminates in China and doesn't get you a passport stamp. (Disclaimer: US immigration politics are crazy right now, so obviously take all that with a healthy grain of salt)

It's hard for me to understand why someone would want to go after reading about the case of Otto Warmbier[1]. There are plenty of interesting and exciting places to visit in the world that don't put you at the mercy of DPRK officials and their reaction to geopolitical events. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier

Not that I condone traveling to North Korea, but Otto is almost definitely the example of "don't do something dumb" the op was thinking of.

>The tour group celebrated New Year's Eve by carousing in Pyongyang's Kim Il-sung Square before returning to their accommodations at the Yanggakdo International Hotel, where they continued drinking alcohol. Early in the morning of New Year's Day, Warmbier allegedly tried to steal a propaganda poster from a staff-only area of the hotel.

He stole a poster. [1] In North Korea. It was young and stupid and he shouldn't died for it, but he did break a law while he was over there.

[1] https://globalnews.ca/video/3544639/video-appearing-to-show-...

Re: USS Pueblo

#77

>While thousands of American prisoners of war were awarded medals, the crew members of Pueblo did not receive them. Instead, they were classified as "detainees". It was not until Congress passed a law overturning this decision that the medals were awarded; the crew finally received the medals at San Diego in May 1990. Any thoughts on why this was so? Why would the crew not be classified PoWs? Did the US not want to a…

I think is because they were captured, supposedly without much fight and failed to destroy sensitive information on the ship. NKs and soviets reverse engineered the communication system and were able to listen on to us communications for a while till the said systems were upgraded.. That being said, I think it's wrong to to not classify the crew as POW. They were tortured and starved...

Re: USS Pueblo

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Dogwhistle for what? I'm genuinely curious, I don't know what that could be used as a dogwhistle for.

The Liberty is a common antisemitic talking point. It is an incident in which the Israeli military attacked and killed American troops. Both the deliberateness and the potential motive of the attack are unknown and unexplained. It doesn't take much for the conspiracy theorists to turn that into "Jews want to kill Americans".

And that makes it a dogwhistle how?

The (((echo))) is a dogwhistle. "Globalists" is a dogwhistle. The USS Liberty incident is just another point on the miles-long list of war crimes committed by the Israeli military and pardoned by the American UNSC veto.

The accusation of antisemitism whenever misbehavior from the Israeli government comes up is itself antisemitic because it presupposes that "the Republic of Israel" and "the Jews" are the same thing.

Re: USS Pueblo

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I always wonder about claims like this where one nation says a ship was within their borders and the other nation says it was in international waters. This USS Pueblo is one incident. Israel attacked a Turkish ship in international waters. Iran attacked oil tankers in international waters. All these incidents ... I can't help but think we never grow up as human beings all the way until becoming international super po…

Does growing up to you mean forgoing your own national interests in order to appease holier-than-thou internet commenters?
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