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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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That wasn't a list of things you missed. It was his list of the features in the upgrade to show it wasn't that you said.

Well he quoted something that was itself a hypothetical quote from a story I made in my comment to explain the addition of the speakers, so I think it’s weird to pretend that my statement was “it’s just the same keyboard with the same CPU” when I obviously pointed out the speakers. Wait a minute, why am I explaining this to you, if you read both comments you already know that it’s plainly obvious that his list absolu…

You might have autism.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Can you really tell if you don’t like the older keyboard more because of familiarity after a few minutes with the new one? I can’t. I just got the Magic Keyboard and it’s still growing on me after a few days.

I've been using a magic keyboard for the past few years, and any time I type on the older 2015 MacBook pro's keyboard now, it feels like I'm pressing my fingers into a mushy sponge. For me, at least, the Magic Keyboard is the happy medium between the too short action on the 2016-19 Pro keyboards, and the too deep action on the 2015 and earlier,

Interesting, I work on a '14 MBP and one of the new full size magic keyboards, and while the MBP feels slightly softer, I never noticed any discomfort or annoyance, and didn't know the '15 had a significantly different keyboard.

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Instability allows you to know exactly where your fingertip is positioned once you know it.

Having the keycaps slightly curved inside allows for better finger positioning.

Yes! Fujitsu desktop keyboards have rather pronounced concave keys - not fashionable but very nice to type on. (They have also figured out tactile response with rubber domes.)

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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This is one of the reasons I didn't buy any new MBP after 2016 anymore. I was so unsatisfied with many changes ranging from the keyboard disaster to the loss of ports that are still industry standard and used every day for some years to come. Probably this is the start for Apple to find back to some quality and say goodbye to strange experiments. Users should feel good using a device and not pay a lot of $$$ to becom…

I personnaly support their "all usb C" politics. A world where every device will share the same cable will be better.

All phones do. Except that one from Apple.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable. We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be dem…

We do not know the failure rates so making judgements of its sustainability are hampered and cannot just rely on "I want the option" as a counter to how a product is designed. By your logic why stop at laptops, why not demand tablets and even smart watches be treated the same. the reason is simple really, the reliability of these devices is very good and companies like Apple have highly developed processes in place t…

Well, there is a middle ground between completely unrepairable and completely lego like. Nobody needs to glue the keyboard to the battery and the speakers in a laptop. My laptop is fine. Changing the battery is especially common, they wear fast. And Apple has shown that it did glue an unreliable keyboard to components that didn't need to be thrown away.

As for tablets, you can change the screen or the battery on an iPad 2 for instance - though not easily -, and its form factor was perfectly fine. A bit thicker would not make it horrible so I am sure it is also possible to design a repairable tablet and I think Fairphone proved that it is possible for phones too (although the Fairphone seems a bit thick, granted).

As for smartwatches, I'd argue that while there are valid use cases for them, most people certainly don't need them, so it should not be a big concern. Almost everybody has a phone now, and people who really want to wear the time on their arm can get a regular watch that will last decades instead of a smartwatch. We don't need to carry two computers 24-7. I hope this market is niche and remains niche. But I certainly can imagine that you don't need to glue the battery to the screen in a smartwatch neither anyway.

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Ugh. I despise the "magic" keyboard as there's way too little travel. I always found the whole thing a bit physically painful. It's never going to happen but I'd love to see a return of the Aluminum / Titanium PowerBook keyboard.

Those were great, but having slightly sculpted keytops and longer travel takes an extra 2–3 millimeters of vertical space, which isn’t going to cut it if the #1 goal is for the folded up machine to be as thin as possible. Personally I wish sommeone went back to the keyboards used on IBM 5140 or IBM P70. Probably not too likely though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Convertible https://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_P…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Portable — the last good Apple laptop keyboard.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I agree! That's why my point was that if you compare the new 16 inch to the previous 15 inch, at the same starting price points -- they aren't all that different. The difference does indeed grow quite large as you reach exorbitant price points. The old 15.4 inch at $2699.00 (vs. 16 inch at $2399) was also 512GB, 16GB RAM, and 2.6GHz. This is absolutely a modest perf bump -- however it really sucks if you feel like yo…

There are probably a lot of people who can and do pay for upgraded machines, and for them 64 GB of RAM or an 8 TB SSD might be reasonable. (OK, I'm not so sure about the 8 TB storage tier…but there are probably a number of people who'd like the higher capacities.)

My company is talking configurations for all next summer's upgrades... top i9 8-core, top 5500/8G GPU, 64GB of RAM, and 1TB of storage. Someone may up their storage, but I'm mostly insanely happy about the GPU and RAM.

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Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

A modular, easy to repair system would be great, but I would settle for a repairable system. That is, that a trained technician can perform the repairs in a reasonable timeframe without throwing components away, which are not defective. As long as the products are not repairable, we should call Apple out for not being as environment friendly, as they try to present themselves.

They are repairable, just not at their stores. They do swaps at the stores and send out the old parts to be disassembled and remanufactured into warranty exchange parts. They are just as environmentally friendly as they present themselves.

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I am generally not a lucky person, but after hearing all these horror stories of 2016+ MBPs, it's obvious that I really lucked out when I bought my 13" MBP in fall of 2015, which I'm using right now to make this post. I've only had to service it once to get the "logic board" replaced, which cost me something like $600 last winter, but it was pretty obvious that it was still the best option after comparing to the newe…

I don’t mean to dunk on you, and I’m sure you really aren’t a lucky person (as you say), but this just stands out to me as a reason people look at us tech workers and think we’re a touch entitled: anyone who can afford a new MacBook at any point in the past few years is almost by definition lucky.

Well, since you brought it up... My MBP was actually one of the most expensive things I had ever bought, at that time. I've been pretty poor my entire life (e.g., sometimes had to skip meals as a kid because we had nothing to eat), and I worked harder than you can probably imagine for many years to be as good with computers and tech as I am now. I bought the MBP using a few thousand dollars that I had saved up from some odd freelance jobs, which was the most money I'd ever had, and the purchase of the MBP took a significant percentage of it. However, I knew that the MBP would be a good investment (and I'm now aware of just how good of an investment it was, compared to newer models) to help me find more work, be more effective, and make more money. I am very lucky to have chosen this path, for sure, but don't assume things about people.
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