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There Is No Cure for Burnout

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Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

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My experience is that there is.

I tend to be really intense about my job, and as a result I've left almost all of my jobs due to burnout, usually related to frustration that my dept isn't prioritizing what I feel is important to be successful, and that my time isn't well spent.

I recently went through this at my current gig, despite having good pay, good manager, and as close to a non-toxic environment as I think is possible. In other words... I couldn't easily scapegoat the org. The problem probably had to do with me. So I tried a new thing: to actually salvage the gig and fight to get my needs met instead of throwing my hands up and abandoning the whole affair.

It took a few months of failed compromises before I resorted to being totally upfront about it. I tried to ask for things like "one sprint on, one sprint off" and hearing that "we don't have bandwidth" until I finally said "look, i'm not having a good time, my productivity is on the floor, i have no morale and things that should take 10 easy minutes take a miserable week. i'm gonna take a month, and when I come back, i'm gonna work on other stuff (with a large, thorough doc of what "other stuff" should be: the intersection of things i find valuable/interesting + would also be valuable to the team).

Management was on board this time. I think they could tell that I was pained enough to walk if I had to, like most of the people in these stories. We also have a new engineer that unlocked some bandwidth. They asked me to move my month off to December instead of November, but greenlit my new work effective the next sprint.

The turnaround was astonishing. Overnight, my output went from unusually low to unusually high. I wake up excited to work on stuff, and care enough that I can be self-directing without needing to be fed tickets or have a PM prioritizing goals. My demos hit heavy, I feel great about my job, and I haven't even taken the vacation yet. I'm still taking it, but it no longer feels like I'll have a breakdown if I don't.

Point is: sometimes burnout comes from feelings of helplessness, arbitrariness, lack of autonomy, and misalignment of personal and company goals. Then you get bitter, and fatigued by constant bitterness, and the hole deepens until you can't see a way out anymore.

But if you can recognize whats got you down, come up with a viable alternative, set and defend boundaries on your time, and fight for them with adult conflict resolution skills... that crippling dissatisfaction is VERY actionable.

"Burnout" is a catch-all term for many nebulous forms of psychological fatigue. The idea that there's no cure for any of those things is pretty silly to me.

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

#22
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But preventative means limit my potential

Only in the short term. Long term your productivity would be better as you wouldn’t be suffering from health problems.

That is fucked up. We are human beings, not some machine to be measured by how productive we are.

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

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post #2

Spot on, the best cure for burnout isn't a cure at all, it's prevention.

Funny thing is that before reaching final stage the body sends signs. Lots of them and often. Most of knowledge workers heard this word “burnout” and it’s nothing new. Burnout does not happen over night, it takes months and even years. Close people also see the changes, but the subject goes forward ignoring everything. Why is so difficult to slow down? Is it better to spend couple years recovering instead of leaving harmful environment immediately?

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

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I can’t say I’m a fan of the classism, racism, and sexism in this article. It creates and reinforces repeatedly the trope that burnout is an unavoidable but uniquely millenial problem; that “white men” from Gen X and before don’t get burned out.

Fuck that; anyone and everyone can and do get burnt out. Isolating yourself based on your race, class, and generation will not help you get better.

That said, I will take this article as it is - a release valve being pushed. I wish the author the best on her wellness sabbatical. I have been there, and I can only hope that she is able to find her way past this obstacle.

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

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post #2

Spot on, the best cure for burnout isn't a cure at all, it's prevention.

But preventative means limit my potential

This might just mean that the work involved in "reaching your potential" literally wouldn't make you happy. I think you know that moving further would really suck in some way. So either let it go and do something else you're happy with, or work around this by figuring out what makes you happy/unhappy about this particular thing and work on refining your mindset around it.

Eventually you'll decide whether or not it's a good idea to keep going in that direction. You'll also get a clearer idea of what you actually want to do, and get rid of those weird "strong morals" that people tend to have, that really do limit their options (for example, "I'll never be able to leave this job" or when addicts feel there's no way out and they're too scared to quit, even though everything about their situation objectively sucks).

(i am only an armchair therapist, not a real one)

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

#27
This is coming from a lady pitching for redistribution of wealth and universal healthcare. She also takes her time to attack men as the only ones who can receive a cure from something most everybody faces at one time or another. I'm sorry, I've been burned out for years but this sounds more like a mental illness than occupational burnout.

My thoughts while reading this are... can you imagine if she had a family to support?

I think the cure for burnout is time off and thinking about all the things you do have and not about how unfair the world is. It's always been that way and always will be. Millennials are burned out at a much higher rate due to the fact that they are the most entitled generation entering the workforce.

If it's truly occupational, I think one should find a new job. To quit with nothing else lined up except a dream, that's just irrational behavior. The world owes us nothing and our ancestors had it much much worse.

Also, she hasn't even had 3 months off. The general rule is at least half the time you've been burned out to truly recover. At least that's what I hear from people who we're actually able to recover, the ones without children to feed. For this guy, it's not a reality. I have to grind and it's just the way it is.

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

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post #14

I think I had a burnout at home. It was just too much: 90% to 100% job, 3 kids, house, and the constant feel of (self?) pressure to make it all better, always be prepared and such at home. My wife and me separated almost a year ago, and since then share the care of our kids by 50/50. She works a lot (80%), I work a lot (90%). It only works because the kids go to school, I can work from home 2 days and we have grand p…

There definitely are things you can do, but in my experience when you feel this way it is really hard to do them.

I've been reading and listening to a few things that are helping me. One thing I've been learning about recently are the body's responses to chronic stress, such as the release of cortisol in the body, and the long term damage that can do. And about allostatic load, which helps explain how it gets perpetually worse as time goes by.

The author's experience is real of course, but it doesn't sound like she is an authority to discuss if it can be cured or not.

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

#29
post #2

Spot on, the best cure for burnout isn't a cure at all, it's prevention.

I have much to say about this subject because I've been working in software development for about 17 years. I'll try not to bore you. I've had several times where I had panic attacks and didn't realize what was wrong until later on. I never took many sick days, just had to up and quit a couple of jobs with little or no notice. So far, GERD has been the one long term health issues I have from it. I took Omeprazole for years and then recently we all found out that it's carcinogenic. That's great! I quit taking it daily about a year ago, but still need it sometimes. The damage is done. You can't un-ring a bell. I spend a lot more of my free time on fitness now, but it's not a cure all.

Pacing yourself is a great concept, however, management pushes harder and harder and they don't see you as a person, they see you as a replaceable piece of meat. Developers today lack a solid seat at the corporate table and the situation has only gotten worse in recent years due to the importation of so many H1Bs who are desperate to earn money and stay in the US. The importation of people who can't/won't push back or ever say no puts everyone at health and financial risk.

Here is a ground-level view of corporatism in all its Satanic glory. If corporations do end up ruling us, once again becoming able to project violence, regular people are in for a very hard time.

Re: There Is No Cure for Burnout

#30
There is no “immediate” cure for burnout. Burnout is the result of environmental stressors, but once it sets in it's like a broken leg. It takes time to heal. The textbook cure is rest, effectively abdication of your responsibilities, and you could be right again after a few months, but as the author points out not everybody can be so privileged. In my experience, and that of others I’ve spoken with, recovery can take about 18 months if you can radically rethink your attitude to work and reach out to colleagues and solicit their support. If you’re going to be trying to shoulder this all on your own and expect to go around day-to-day with your same (perhaps maladaptive) attitude to life as you did before you will find recovery a lot harder, and perhaps that’s what she means by “no cure”, but to me that’s akin to wanting to repeatedly hit your own leg with a hammer, hoping that taking a load of pain killers will help you get by ...

I would contend that if you must continue working, as it is for most people, perhaps changing jobs isnt the best idea - it is after all considered to be one of the most stressful life events (see holmes-raehe) and is not to be taken lightly.

But we have to appreciate that not all workplaces are amenable to open displays of personal vulnerability. Which is truly sad.

The sunscreen song comes to mind: ”leave before it makes you hard”

But nevertheless, don’t give up hope, you can find human kindness in the unlikliest of places, but first maybe you have to be kind to yourself <3

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