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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by cooljacob204 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #344
EpicEng wrote: post #32

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Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

That depends. The EU is already implementing a right-to-repair law for appliances, it will only be a matter of time until this is extended to electronic devices such as laptops and smartphones. Apple will have two options then: drop out of the EU market (which they won't do, 500M consumers waiting to be fleeced) or follow the law.

I doubt it. They just won't be able to void warranties due to these kinds of laws. They are still free to design their electronics however they want.

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Post by abrugsch »

lonelappde wrote: post #397
abrugsch wrote: post #372

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Laptops that are decided by their owners are beyond economic repair when something fails don't just get whisked away to landfill, but actually (in many geographic locations) go through actual computer recycling centres, where they are triaged, repaired where possible and re-used in lower socio-economic areas such as low income area training projects etc. Often people "throw away" a laptop just because it's "slow" whi…

That reuse used to be through but nowadays we are absolutely drowning in computing hardware. Look at all the dealers in old used business computers, selling $200 machines. That's paying for the time of the person turning over the machine, with no premium for scarcity. Shipping and handling costs more than the non-consumable portion of old computer hardware.

round here they are usually volunteer run, charitble status entities, recycling for local concerns

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Post by cooljacob204 »

Yajirobe wrote: post #406
polydut wrote: post #401

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I don't know how well they perform, but I remember hearing about these https://www.canlessair.com/

100 bucks??

I mean you are also free to pay hundreds over the years in air cans, wasting money and harming the environment.

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Post by Sangeppato »

guardian5x wrote: post #278

The Surface Laptop 3 scored a 5 at least, which was a big improvement over previous generations. I wish Apple would try to improve repairability as well.

While this is true, the battery (which is likely the only component most people will need/want to replace) is still glued to the case, the RAM is soldered and I'm not sure Microsoft will provide a replacement keyboard to you for a decent price.

I mean, I was very happy about the Laptop 3 repairability, but if the MBP is 1/10, then 5/10 looks a bit too much to me.

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Post by GrayShade »

kmlx wrote: post #375
GrayShade wrote: post #358

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Repairs are going to be expensive if you need to get a new motherboard to replace a single component.

it all depends on second hand mac component prices. from my knowledge apple changes the casing and motherboard for almost every mac hardware update. thus making components more expensive (lower runs) and the re-sell value high. so for apple to allow replacing parts the backlash from a reduced re-sell price would need to be lower than the potential new avenues of 3rd party components and repairs.

> the backlash from a reduced re-sell price

Users complaining that laptops are too easy to repair seems absurd to me but then again, I'm not an Apple customer.

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Post by rvense »

w0utert wrote: post #348
Symbiote wrote: post #313

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Repairing a device by replacing a small part (preferably only the broken component) uses far less resources than recycling. For most other laptops, repair or replacement of common components doesn't depend so much on the manufacturer. The skill and equipment required to do the repair is significantly reduced. All else being equal, this makes it more likely that the laptop will be repaired rather than discarded.

Not trying to be cynical here because I also would prefer a MBP that was more serviceable/repairable, but all these discussions about how repairability impacts the environmental cost of these devices are IMO extremely contrived. How many (in percentage terms) of laptops will ever need repairs, how many of those will actually be repaired (as opposed to consumers just deciding to buy something new, even if repair would…

I would counter that the reason laptops don't get repaired has a lot to do with mindsets and habits. It feels easier to just get a new one. I'd say the availability of repairable laptops is a prerequisite to change.

Basically Apple need to want this change. They need to... be brave? To... think different?

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Post by Ralfp »

nautical wrote: post #294
skocznymroczny wrote: post #256

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I wish Apple released a butterfly switch external keyboard. I know I am in a minority here but I really loved these new flat keyboards on Macbooks and I'd love to have a keyboard like that for my Windows PC.

How long you have been using the keyboard ? Mine got screwed after couple of months of usage (I took really good care of it as I had read about the initial backlash)

I've got my MBP in November 2016, as soon as it became available in my country. I was using it at home and office, carrying between both of those locations using sleeve, taking extra care to don't mess my precious new laptop up. Its keyboard worked perfectly all this time.

Reading about all the keyboard woes others had, I've been wondering if I am just lucky. In November 2018 I've traveled to another town with my laptop (in the sleeve, as usual). This was single day travel and it turned out that I've didn't even have to pull it from the bag a single time. After coming home 10 hours later I've pulled my laptop from the sleeve and pressed "R" key. It didn't "click". I've pressed it again. It didn't click either, but it sticked to the tip of my finger and popped out of its slot. I was now part of the people blessed with keyboard fault.

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Post by Sangeppato »

dfabulich wrote: post #74

Wait, so are individual keys repairable, or not? This ifixit article says, "Once again, the keyboard assembly is riveted down. Though the switches are likely less vulnerable to crumbly assailants, the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards." That directly contradicts statements from Apple to The Verge. https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/13/20962380/apples-16-inch-... "Apple says that it has…

The keycap and the scissor mechanism are replaceable, but not officially (at least it isn't on the 2012-2015 models). So if you have an issue with one key, Apple will likely still offer a whole top-case replacement (this is what they did with me with a 2015).

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Post by Yajirobe »

cooljacob204 wrote: post #423
Yajirobe wrote: post #406

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100 bucks??

I mean you are also free to pay hundreds over the years in air cans, wasting money and harming the environment.

Unless you are really using canned air daily, you will not have to spend 100$ for it over your whole life.

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Post by ksec »

aloer wrote: post #386
ksec wrote: post #366

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>There is always something new just around the corner. True, but something new isn't always something better, and isn't always worth waiting for. Aka 2016 - 2019 MBP 15". And in the above cases, I consider Icelake IPC and Security improvement along with WiFI 6 to be quite a significant upgrade, not the same could be said for the past 3 update of MacBook Pro.

But is this something you would’ve known when they were released? Looking back it’s quite easy to know which upgrade was worth waiting for. What if intel can’t deliver next year? For me it’s also less about what next upgrade might bring but also what next upgrade does to the resale price. I’m sure those offloading a 15” 2018 will feel the price drop now. I have a 13” 2018 and I am seriously considering replacing with…

>What if intel can’t deliver next year?

Agree as well, something that was in mind but didn't wrote it out in my last reply. There was of course the assumption Intel execute, which isn't something Apple can control.

At least Intel has shipped its Icelake in extremely small quantities. I actually rather hope Intel do miss their deadline so Apple has an excuses to switch to AMD or ARM.

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