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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by schuke »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I bought the pre-16 inch MBP specifically for the keyboard. It's joyful and effortless to type on at the same time. Hands down the best laptop keyboard. (I used ThinkPads exclusively for more than a decade before coming to Macs)

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Post by endorphone »

tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

This seems cynical. The list of changes on the new laptop are enormous...

And this is Apple -- they don't have to, or feel the need to, justify anything. If they released the 2018 15" with just a new keyboard the world would be over the moon because otherwise it's a close to perfect laptop. They took quite a few steps further surprising a lot of people.

As an aside, I've had my MBP for about a year now. I've typed barely a paragraph on it. I've always used a magic keyboard and mouse with -- yup, even when mobile -- because I cannot stand "laptop warmth" under my hands. So I've inadvertently gotten around the shite keyboard because of another weird hangup.

...yet I've seriously considered getting the new one. Keyboard doesn't bother me at all given my weird usage, but the other changes, particularly the much better speakers, seriously interests me.

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Post by gambiting »

DennisP wrote: post #351
torgian wrote: post #243

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Meh. Give me a fully mechanical keyboard in a somewhat portable body. Like those old Apple IIe boxes. This is a joke btw.

It's a joke for you but a laptop with a good mech keyboard is exactly what I want. I plug a mechanical keyboard into my laptop all the time, because it's easier on my fingers. A thicker laptop that I can type on is better for me than carrying around a separate mech and putting the laptop on a nearby flat surface instead of my lap.

Those do exist - MSI and Asus made a few recently I'm sure.

For example: https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/msi-gt75vr-titan-p...

I mean, at 4.5kg it's extremely heavy for a laptop, but it does have a mechanical keyboard and very beefy spec.

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Post by oefrha »

cassianoleal wrote: post #86
pwthornton wrote: post #16

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This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

I have a Mid-2015 15’’ MBP and a Magic Keyboard (about 2-year old) sitting in front me side by side right now, and I use both every day. I definitely prefer the Magic Keyboard.

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Post by prawnsalad »

djaychela wrote: post #381
cerberusss wrote: post #274

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That's quite interesting, which one did you get? What are your impressions so far? And can it be used for data?

I bought an add-on USB-C 'magsafe' adapter when I bought my 2017 MBP 13" [1]. I had planned to leave the one bit in the laptop, and use it like a magsafe, but it didn't work out well - it wasn't as magnetic or as positive in location as a real magsafe (it tended to fold 'sideways' too easily), and in the end I just stopped using it because it became more of a pain than the real risk of it getting dragged off a table…

Snapnator actually delivered for you? I know several people including myself that had bought one of these things and never had them delivered, then never had any support requests answered. I had put them down to a large scam.

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Post by gbersac »

VvR-Ox wrote: post #338
JohnTHaller wrote: post #2

Most important point: Apple fixed the keyboard by ditching the flawed keyboard used for the past 3 years and returning to the Magic Keyboard scissor switch design. Comparing the 'new' keyboard to the Magic Keyboard: "side by side, we're hard pressed to spot any differences. Scissor switches, keycaps... There's slightly less space surrounding these new keys, and pundits will celebrate those reconfigured arrow keys—but…

This is one of the reasons I didn't buy any new MBP after 2016 anymore. I was so unsatisfied with many changes ranging from the keyboard disaster to the loss of ports that are still industry standard and used every day for some years to come. Probably this is the start for Apple to find back to some quality and say goodbye to strange experiments. Users should feel good using a device and not pay a lot of $$$ to becom…

I personnaly support their "all usb C" politics. A world where every device will share the same cable will be better.

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Post by Shivetya »

jraph wrote: post #53
htk wrote: post #27

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Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable. We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be dem…

We do not know the failure rates so making judgements of its sustainability are hampered and cannot just rely on "I want the option" as a counter to how a product is designed.

By your logic why stop at laptops, why not demand tablets and even smart watches be treated the same. the reason is simple really, the reliability of these devices is very good and companies like Apple have highly developed processes in place to recycle the failures they do encounter.

we would never survive in a world were consumer electronics were lego like in their manufacturing. you think we have waste issues now, it is far more likely a laptop or desktop would be recycled than individual components which when failed many would just toss like they toss one use batteries found in many devices.

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Post by boardwaalk »

cassianoleal wrote: post #86
pwthornton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

Can you really tell if you don’t like the older keyboard more because of familiarity after a few minutes with the new one? I can’t.

I just got the Magic Keyboard and it’s still growing on me after a few days.

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Post by Sangeppato »

rajacombinator wrote: post #228
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

Coming from a 15” 2013, the 16” still feels clumsily large and not portable. I want to hold out for a 14” but it will like have a gimped processor. Why can no one get this right ...

Are you sure you own a 15"? This 16" has literally the same dimensions as the previous-gen 15"

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Post by benologist »

saagarjha wrote: post #192
zelienople wrote: post #133

In case you haven't noticed, the planet is burning. Don't buy a laptop with a repairability score of 1.

Counterpoint: Apple's laptops have lasted me longer than any other computer I've had. I'm not sure that buying this is a net negative.

2016 and 2017 mbps are only as good as the free keyboard replacement program, which starts ending next year for the 2016 model. These laptops won’t be in circulation long except as pseudo-desktops.
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