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One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions

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Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions

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DagAgren wrote: post #600
depressedpanda wrote: post #466

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So you are arguing that people should be punished for thought crimes? You most certainly can draw a line between actions and views, and fortunately most laws do.

No, I am arguing that everyone can and should do all they can to condemn hatred. That regular people should make sure there are consequences for being a hateful bigot. And that people should not get tricked by "both-sides" bullshit, or empty appeals to "freedom of speech". Don't be friends with a racist. Make sure they understand their views are not acceptable. Do your part today.

That does not at all seem like the constructive thing to do. Generally speaking, ostracizing groups of people for their beliefs leads to further polarization, and more extreme views.

In my experience, people are seldom racist for the sake of being hateful. Rather than applying an arbitrary label to someone so that you can lazily dismiss them as evil (which is just as bigoted as the bigotry you claim to oppose), it's better to find the underlying cause of the apparent racism, and addressing that concretely instead.

Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions

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int_19h wrote: post #583
DagAgren wrote: post #566

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Yeah, no, you can't physically prevent that, not without a perfect panopticon police state. If you allow intolerance to spread, it WILL, without fail, hurt people. Sometime, immense number of people. This is not theoretical. It happens, again and again, and the only way to prevent it is to oppose intolerance at every stage. Your abstract ideology of absolutely free speech is not in any way worth the immense pain and…

On the contrary - you can't prevent intolerance from spreading without a perfect Panopticon police state. That's precisely why Europe is failing at it so badly, despite all their hate speech and extremism laws. Organizations like AfD can dog-whistle in public to avoid crossing legal limits, while still fundamentally communicating the same ideas. You could crack down on that if you had a pervasive surveillance state m…

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Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions

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Post by DagAgren »

depressedpanda wrote: post #601
DagAgren wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I am arguing that everyone can and should do all they can to condemn hatred. That regular people should make sure there are consequences for being a hateful bigot. And that people should not get tricked by "both-sides" bullshit, or empty appeals to "freedom of speech". Don't be friends with a racist. Make sure they understand their views are not acceptable. Do your part today.

That does not at all seem like the constructive thing to do. Generally speaking, ostracizing groups of people for their beliefs leads to further polarization, and more extreme views. In my experience, people are seldom racist for the sake of being hateful. Rather than applying an arbitrary label to someone so that you can lazily dismiss them as evil (which is just as bigoted as the bigotry you claim to oppose), it's…

Why are you assuming that one excludes the other?
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