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Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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There are only two uses cases left for money center banks. (1) You might be able to get a branch safe deposit box. (2) Same day payment on credit cards, that bank. Fidelity, and perhaps other zero fee brokerage accounts handle everything else.

Does Fidelity allow you to deposit cash?

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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post #170

> It also happens to be an incredibly sticky product. Think of the last time you saw an overdraft charge on your statement and swore to yourself that this was the last straw — you are taking your business elsewhere only to be confronted with the downstream effects of moving your “financial address” — telling HR where to send the next paycheck, calling up each utility company, changing autopay for each credit card bil…

Yes, but it’s an hour of painfully boring work that demands care and correctness. And at the end of it, you’re just with another bank that may or may not be better.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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Another answer: because regular banks are awful to deal with. They don't have nice APIs to just move money around. They apply velocity limits at surprising times. They can terminate your account suddenly for opaque reasons. They charge high regular fees and even higher "gotcha" fees if you make a mistake. They can take back money sent to you for up to 90 days, but often can't get back money you sent to crooks even if…

I wanted to build a product based on moving money around, and it seemed like it would be easier to start my own than to get what I wanted at a reasonable price. The financial industry is needlessly complicated and I don't know why it's so hard to just move money around. I can write checks easily and even manually set up recurring ACH transfers, so why can't I automate that with an API? There are a couple companies th…

ACH / writing checks is free through your bank because if it wasn't, you'd bank somewhere else. But there's 0 incentive to give you API access, your usage could skyrocket and it wouldn't be profitable anymore.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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post #145

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Really? Wells Fargo isn't mining my search history using a black-box algorithm to decide without transparency whether to close my account or decline a transaction because I might have become a risk of some sort. Not that they would ever do such a thing.

I'd rather have my bank abruptly close my account for opaque reasons than fraudulently open additional accounts in my name.

Why not both? With Wells Fargo you can have it all!

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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post #170

> It also happens to be an incredibly sticky product. Think of the last time you saw an overdraft charge on your statement and swore to yourself that this was the last straw — you are taking your business elsewhere only to be confronted with the downstream effects of moving your “financial address” — telling HR where to send the next paycheck, calling up each utility company, changing autopay for each credit card bil…

I switched from Chase to SoFi a few months back (kept my Chase CCs). Totally worth it. Didn't take that much time, although still more than an hour, plus had to be careful not to pull money out of Chase just before a payment was processed. But it's been great. SoFi Money currently yields 1.6% (not the best, but still better than any CDs or savings accounts Chase could give me). Having a high interest yielding checking account has allowed me to better optimize my investing/saving habits. Plus, when I traveled to Europe recently, SoFi was giving me the spot exchange rate at ATMs.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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> Do you think Google is going to do any better at this? Google's new checking account isn't really Google. They don't currently have the licenses needed to act as a bank. It's basically a Google branded checking account from Stanford Federal Credit Union. From what I've read, Google's checking account will be similar to Uber's credit card in that you will sign up and get some benefits through Google/Uber, but pretty…

And this is intentional. Google definitely doesn’t want to be regulated as a bank. It just wants your financial data, so it can send better targeted ads.

Isn’t access to that financial data extremely well regulated?

I’ve often thought of launching a credit card company solely for access to people’s transaction data. That provides tremendous insight into many companies turnovers allowing to anticipate earnings.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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Fintech only provides better UX on the same old system of banking. The real issue with banks is the staggering amount of regulation which acts both as an innovation killer and as a high barrier to entry, which in turn stifles innovation even more.

It's the golden cage dilemma banks find themselves into.

Fintech looks cool until it stops working, then you discover it's the same system, only run by a startup.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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post #32

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> Another answer: because regular banks are awful to deal with. They don't have nice APIs to just move money around. They apply velocity limits at surprising times. They can terminate your account suddenly for opaque reasons. Do you think Google is going to do any better at this? They already have no customer support, close accounts without notice....etc... The article is right, this is about engagement.

The traditional banking system is about 150 years old by now. Increasingly, it seems to serve a smaller segment of society, regardless of its half-hearted attempts at innovation. I have a number of friends working in finance. Lovely people. Absolutely arrogant, though, when it comes to the question of whether their industry will face non-trivial disuption. Maybe Google and other current tech giants will not be the on…

Branch banking as we know it was effectively invented by AP Giannini in the 1920's - arguably modern banking didn't exist till the computer and ATM networks arrived in the 1970's.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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post #171
post #20

There are only two uses cases left for money center banks. (1) You might be able to get a branch safe deposit box. (2) Same day payment on credit cards, that bank. Fidelity, and perhaps other zero fee brokerage accounts handle everything else.

Does Fidelity allow you to deposit cash?

"Integrated cash management" (a debit card, etc) is abundantly available from discount brokerages, and is systemically important to their businesses. Fidelity legally can't call it a checking account so they call it a Cash Management Account; brokerages that own banks (Schwab, etc) just call it checking.

Re: Why is everyone a bank?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another answer: because regular banks are awful to deal with. They don't have nice APIs to just move money around. They apply velocity limits at surprising times. They can terminate your account suddenly for opaque reasons. Do you think Google is going to do any better at this? They already have no customer support, close accounts without notice....etc... The article is right, this is about engagement.

The traditional banking system is about 150 years old by now. Increasingly, it seems to serve a smaller segment of society, regardless of its half-hearted attempts at innovation. I have a number of friends working in finance. Lovely people. Absolutely arrogant, though, when it comes to the question of whether their industry will face non-trivial disuption. Maybe Google and other current tech giants will not be the on…

I'm pretty sure that whoever disrupts banking will do it the Uber way, by disregarding all the laws that they are required to follow and trying to claim not to be what they actually are, with the same eventual success this route has had for Uber.
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