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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jacobolus »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #65
pwthornton wrote: post #16

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This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

Ugh. I despise the "magic" keyboard as there's way too little travel. I always found the whole thing a bit physically painful. It's never going to happen but I'd love to see a return of the Aluminum / Titanium PowerBook keyboard.

Those were great, but having slightly sculpted keytops and longer travel takes an extra 2–3 millimeters of vertical space, which isn’t going to cut it if the #1 goal is for the folded up machine to be as thin as possible.

Personally I wish sommeone went back to the keyboards used on IBM 5140 or IBM P70. Probably not too likely though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Convertible https://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_P70/P75_keyboard

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by krisgenre »

grecy wrote: post #188
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

I bought the same in 2016. Last year the speakers got fried and since few months back it has started to shut down abruptly. The max time I can use it now is only around 30 mins :(

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by tolmasky »

saagarjha wrote: post #189
tolmasky wrote: post #178

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The keyboard is the “only” thing that matters for someone that bought a computer about a year ago, so yeah. 64GB of RAM and 8TB of SSD are great, that’s why I have a desktop computer with those specs for half the price. I love big screens too, which is why I have an actual big monitor on my desktop, not “big considering the form factor it’s in”. Getting those specs on the MacBook Pro puts you into the $6K territory,…

Not everyone uses a desktop–I do all of my work out of a laptop, for example. It's not strange to want a powerful one, and comparing it to something completely different is not useful.

I agree! That's why my point was that if you compare the new 16 inch to the previous 15 inch, at the same starting price points -- they aren't all that different. The difference does indeed grow quite large as you reach exorbitant price points.

The old 15.4 inch at $2699.00 (vs. 16 inch at $2399) was also 512GB, 16GB RAM, and 2.6GHz. This is absolutely a modest perf bump -- however it really sucks if you feel like you have to pay this price again for nearly identical specs to really just get the new keyboard. Yes, if you were really hoping for amazing... laptop speakers, then paying full price again may make a lot of sense. But the reality is that for most people (those not spending $6K), this computer is not that much different from the one that already exists, except for the keyboard actually working. My response was for the comment stating surprise that I "just" saw this as a keyboard fix. I stand by my position that this is absolutely the case at most of the reasonable (common?) price points.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

henryfjordan wrote: post #140
saagarjha wrote: post #128

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> Given that OSX and Linux are so similar under the hood and that standing up a VM is so easy Similar in what way?

They both share their roots in Unix. Linux is an open port of Unix whereas OSX is a fork of BSD which is itself also derived from Unix `ls`, `mv`, `cp` and other command line utility functions work relatively similarly across OSX and Linux. OSX has a package manager (brew) that works similarly to Package Managers found on Linux, etc... If you learn to use Linux, switching to OSX is relatively painless compared to Win…

Ah, I was expecting you to say something lower level than that. Homebrew is however quite unlike package managers I've used on Linux, and even MacPorts is a little different…I've heard that WSL is pretty decent and presumably APT works on it, though I haven't touched it since it first came out and it was broken in some way that I cared about.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

pckls wrote: post #182

I'm very patiently waiting for modular components. Apple's hardware is certainly beautiful but IMO not worth the upfront premium PLUS the additional premium for repairs. From a hardware eng perspective, is there a clear advantage for hardwiring components?

> From a hardware eng perspective, is there a clear advantage for hardwiring components?

Yeah: it saves space and reduces complexity. A more modular MacBook would almost certainly be missing features or be bigger/thicker.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by lathiat »

krisgenre wrote: post #194
grecy wrote: post #188

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I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

I bought the same in 2016. Last year the speakers got fried and since few months back it has started to shut down abruptly. The max time I can use it now is only around 30 mins :(

if thats on battery just get the battery replaced and you'll be good to go again

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

nikanj wrote: post #186
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

A few blasts of compressed air very likely will fix the keyboard. We have cans of it spread throughout the office, because it took Apple three laptop generations to admit to their faults

> We have cans of it spread throughout the office

So does Apple, funnily enough.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ericd »

saagarjha wrote: post #189
tolmasky wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The keyboard is the “only” thing that matters for someone that bought a computer about a year ago, so yeah. 64GB of RAM and 8TB of SSD are great, that’s why I have a desktop computer with those specs for half the price. I love big screens too, which is why I have an actual big monitor on my desktop, not “big considering the form factor it’s in”. Getting those specs on the MacBook Pro puts you into the $6K territory,…

Not everyone uses a desktop–I do all of my work out of a laptop, for example. It's not strange to want a powerful one, and comparing it to something completely different is not useful.

Sure, but if you want seriously powerful hardware, you're simply not getting that in a laptop form factor. A desktop workstation can have power budgets upward of 10x what these can use.
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