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Empathic concern does not reduce partisan animosity: study

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> It gets worse. These high-empathy students were also more likely to be amused by reports that students protesting the speech had injured a bystander sympathetic to the speaker. That’s right: According to this study, people prone to empathy are prone to schadenfreude.

I can relate, as I am certainly someone who would probably laugh in this situation, as I also find myself laughing at the idea that people trample one another during Black Friday.

If someone were to physically injure someone during a controversial debate, I find it amusing in the sense that I am thinking "Hah... That's the way to get people to listen to your viewpoint", sarcastically.

It's not that I'm laughing at the injury. I'm laughing at the absurd immaturity of it all. Laughter is frequently used as a coping mechanism for dealing with unpleasant realities. Personally, it doesn't diminish the tragedy of what happens. It allows me to process it with a sort of mental "buffer".

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When you have empathy, do you take the viewpoint of the master or the slave?

If you have empathy, you do both. That doesn't mean that your sympathy for each is equal. EDIT: But, the measure in the article doesn't measure empathy, which is independent of position, it measures whether one frames virtue through victimization narratives. People who agree with that wouldn't empathize with both, they'd empathize with the one that they see as the slave, which would all too often be driven by confirm…

Empathizing with the master is difficult for many people. Not realizing that a person, born into the lucky privilege of being the master, doesn't see what they do as victimizing to a slave. It's just how life works for them.

Tim Minchin did an interesting bit on empathy a while back. Discussing the nature of empathizing with the shooter, as well as the shooter's victims, in incidents of mass shootings. The podcast is available here if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGrPkI4xkWA

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When you have empathy, do you take the viewpoint of the master or the slave?

#nondualism The master and slave are part of the same whole; one cannot exist without the other, and more generally, everyone is a flawed or incomplete person in one way or another. Having empathy for one without having empathy for the other is to misunderstand the universe.

Would you seriously argue that in 1864?

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> Like many past studies, this one gauges people’s level of “empathic concern” by asking them how strongly they agree or disagree with a series of seven statements such as “I often have tender, concerned feelings for people less fortunate than me.”

Does this really signify empathy? I consider myself empathetic, but I wouldn't agree with the above statement. If anything, having concerned feelings for someone solely because they're less fortunate than me seems a bit patronising. I wouldn't want someone to think I thought less of them just because they had less than I do.

This is why I'm skeptical of studies based on surveys in general -- by playing empathy chess, and wondering how it would make the other person feel if they knew how I was feeling about them, I'm placed into the "not empathetic" camp.

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>The authors of the APSR study—Elizabeth Simas and Scott Clifford of the University of Houston and Justin Kirkland of the University of Virginia—have this kind of dynamic in mind when they write, “Polarization is not a consequence of a lack of empathy among the public, but a product of the biased ways in which we experience empathy.”

That's the nugget. According to the study, it seems that people with high empathy are more often people with high empathy towards their in-group...and a lack of empathy for the out-group. I'd argue that it isn't really empathy at all...just a more emotional form of tribalism.

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The problem is we’ve exploited our ability to tailor our messaging so specifically that people aren’t getting new information.

We’ve seen this before, in a way: when Christianity ruled, no new emotional information or perspective was capable of taking hold.

Our media apparatus is essentially doing the same thing by feeding people the same narrative they grew up on their entire lives.

We have kept thousands of hours of TV shows, video games, and movies, news clips, etc and repeatedly view it. One can mentally exist in 1995 with the Internet and the new couch that feels just as comfy. Our limbic system suggests it anyway.

Look at our politics mired in clinging to the past, sticking to same old tax & drug policies.

The problem is a bunch of nerds who meant well built the panopticon, because they were staring at screens and not considering human history of authoritarian corruption of our emotionally guided agency (humans brains don’t find facts, they engage motor controls and coordinate agency, speaking sounds or doing a mechanical motion of some sort) to focus on the speech we don’t control. Previously religious doctrine, now finance.

Now media corp can beam the exact speech necessary to keep every individual soothed just so. How brilliant.

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>The authors of the APSR study—Elizabeth Simas and Scott Clifford of the University of Houston and Justin Kirkland of the University of Virginia—have this kind of dynamic in mind when they write, “Polarization is not a consequence of a lack of empathy among the public, but a product of the biased ways in which we experience empathy.” That's the nugget. According to the study, it seems that people with high empathy ar…

Nah, I would argue that empathy has never been anything more than that. We have existing names for the “real” empathy you being up too — people call it being two-faced, practicing whataboutism, being callously analytical, being too unempathetic to side with the obviously right side, and so on.

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Most people’s views don’t neatly align with any party; that’s simply the easiest narrative to follow. I am on the left (technically independent) but I certainly have a mountain of criticism about Democrats. When party loyalty is divorced from values I wouldn’t expect a change in the underlying dynamic that drives people to partisan polarization.

To give an example, I can empathize with the problems many Republicans face: fear of a loss of quality of life, fear of loss of stability, fear of change, fear of changing classes, fear of losing your culture, fear of being left behind by society. In more concrete terms, how do I know I can eat and be healthy and be around my people in the future and experience joy as I do now? In fact these are often the same things that drive Democrats, Independents, in fact these are universal. It is something else (cultural, economic, social?) that drives party loyalty.

For another example, often conservative christians give to charity at higher rates than any other group (at least in the us). Yet, the left is constantly striving for representation and equity, which in some forms is certainly a type of empathy. It is a mistake to consider a lack of empathy a driving force in politics.

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>The authors of the APSR study—Elizabeth Simas and Scott Clifford of the University of Houston and Justin Kirkland of the University of Virginia—have this kind of dynamic in mind when they write, “Polarization is not a consequence of a lack of empathy among the public, but a product of the biased ways in which we experience empathy.” That's the nugget. According to the study, it seems that people with high empathy ar…

I’d call it emotional parsimony.

It’s the kind of behavior (core human nature) that views the pain of thousands from another country (or other social/socioeconomic group) as less than the pain of someone directly familiar to oneself.

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