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Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Re: Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Post by bassman9000 »

dm3730 wrote: post #23
osmay88 wrote: post #22

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I recommend you to read history. There was no genocide in Cuba. Some people people die from sickness brought by Europeans and right after the discovery the Queen of Spain at the time ruled that the native couldn't be enslaved. So the ones who didn't die were simply blend into society. Btw I'm Cuban myself.

> I recommend you to read history. There was no genocide in Cuba Perhaps your history is written by Spaniards. I notice you didn't give any specific books to read. I'll do you a favour. Here's one: https://www.amazon.com/Brevisima-relacion-destruicion-Humani... The cover is "A 16th-century illustration by Flemish Protestant Theodor de Bry for Las Casas's Brevisima relación de la destrucción de las Indias, depicting S…

A flemish protestant, no less, from the era of religious wars with catholics.

I'll take "what is the black legend" for 500, Alex.

Re: Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Post by dm3730 »

iguy wrote: post #25
dm3730 wrote: post #24

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You clearly missed my point. But that's okay since I presume your intentions and support of colonialization is clear.

This may surprise you, but I wasn't around in the 16th century to either support or oppose anyone's actions, let alone their intentions.

You are here now supporting past actions and intentions.

Re: Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Post by dang »

dm3730 wrote: post #24
iguy wrote: post #17

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They didn't found a city called Havana, that's all.

You clearly missed my point. But that's okay since I presume your intentions and support of colonialization is clear.

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Post by dang »

throw51319 wrote: post #38
ianleeclark wrote: post #36

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> I feel the need to show being realistic about the past instead of having an emotional response. What's wrong with an emotional response to an atrocity? Is it irrational to cry over the Holocaust because, hey, the Tsars didn't some pretty bad pogroms, too? No, emotional responses are perfectly fine and are a normal mode of thinking. Your fetishization of reason is dangerous and echoes the same rhetoric that enabled…

Haha you're putting words in my mouth. Of course I have an emotional response to events of the past, usually negative like most people. I'm just separating that from the historical and factual response, and understanding the difference between the two. The point is that it wasn't just Europeans that have done bad things in the past. It was every type of person. And now we can collectively move past with the lessons.

Please don't do flamewars here.

Re: Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Post by dang »

ianleeclark wrote: post #36
throw51319 wrote: post #34

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I'm not. I feel the need to show being realistic about the past instead of having an emotional response. "Omg people conquered other people, that is bad!" Very infantile view of a complex world/history, where every single group in every single nook and cranny of every continent has done this in the past.

> I feel the need to show being realistic about the past instead of having an emotional response. What's wrong with an emotional response to an atrocity? Is it irrational to cry over the Holocaust because, hey, the Tsars didn't some pretty bad pogroms, too? No, emotional responses are perfectly fine and are a normal mode of thinking. Your fetishization of reason is dangerous and echoes the same rhetoric that enabled…

Please don't do flamewars here.

Re: Havana celebrates 500 years of foundation

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Post by eesmith »

lordleft wrote: post #5

In the context of the (european) New World, this is positively ancient. It's actually a bit disorienting (I'm betraying a bit of an US-centric perspective here, apologies) to think of Havana thriving for HUNDREDS of years before many American metropolises. Very cool.

I've lived a lot of my life in ex-Spanish territories which are now part of the US.

This includes visiting St. Augustine, FL as a kid (founded 1565), and living in Santa Fe[1], NM (founded 1610), which is an hour or so drive south of Taos Pueblo where you there are multi-story buildings around 600 years old.

I think these should be part of a US-centric perspective of US history, but I recognize that most people -- including myself -- learn an English/British flavored perspective of that history.

I also know what you mean. I grew up in Miami, and as a kid there were still people alive born before the city was founded.

[1] Full name: La Villa Real de la Santa Fe de San Francisco de Asís

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