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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by Twirrim »

webwielder2 wrote: post #3
JohnTHaller wrote: post #2

Most important point: Apple fixed the keyboard by ditching the flawed keyboard used for the past 3 years and returning to the Magic Keyboard scissor switch design. Comparing the 'new' keyboard to the Magic Keyboard: "side by side, we're hard pressed to spot any differences. Scissor switches, keycaps... There's slightly less space surrounding these new keys, and pundits will celebrate those reconfigured arrow keys—but…

The Magic Keyboard design is not the 2012-2015 MBP keyboard design, it's the design from their line of external keyboards. iFixit's jokey intro is misleading in this regard.

I rarely complain about that kind of stuff, but the sheer number of jokes in that article had it reaching the "trying too hard to be funny" stage in near record time.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by rconti »

I don't get their dust-proofing membrane comment:

> News flash: there's not even a dust-proofing membrane on these new switches. We're inclined to take this as a very good sign. (It means we can finally eat Doritos during teardowns again.)

That sounds counter-intuitive. Can someone explain?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by grapehut »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

The complaint (or at least, mine) isn't that they're bad -- it's that they're unreliable. I'm literally on my 3rd butterfly keyboard.

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Post by dfabulich »

Wait, so are individual keys repairable, or not?

This ifixit article says, "Once again, the keyboard assembly is riveted down. Though the switches are likely less vulnerable to crumbly assailants, the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards."

That directly contradicts statements from Apple to The Verge. https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/13/20962380/apples-16-inch-...

"Apple says that it has done extra work to stabilize the keycaps, made them slightly smaller so there’s more space between the keys, and that if a key breaks you can just replace that one key without taking apart the whole laptop."

This seems like a strange thing for Apple to lie about. What's the real truth here, I wonder?

EDIT: It seems that ifixit is just wrong about this, and the keyboard is at least somewhat more repairable than the butterfly model. The keycaps are replaceable (allowing you to spray compressed air directly onto debris) and the white part of the switch is replaceable.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by alberth »

karmelapple wrote: post #66
alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I enjoy the butterfly keyboard, but once the keys started putting two spaces in when I said one, or putting two of other letters, or none of yet other letters, it got old really fast. Still like my keyboard, and would be happy to have it back if Apple fixed the reliability issues. FWIW, I like the iPad keyboard feel, too.

FYI - as a hack ... you can turn off double spaces in the macOS.

https://howchoo.com/g/njiwm2flndj/disable-double-space-bar-p...

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Post by eludwig »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

Who knew? Keyboards turn out to be very personal. I am in your camp. I picked up one of the 13" MBPs when they rev'ed it earlier this year and I love the keyboard! I have never typed faster on any laptop keyboard.

Different strokes? (sorry, couldn't resist)

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by EpicEng »

pcr910303 wrote: post #67

As I have already said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21524049 : > I hate the wobbly feeling that the scissor mechanism produces. Apple didn't need to return to the scissor mechanism, it should have reiterated the design. I'm very disappointed that Apple just gave up & used the safe way of regressing back. > It feels like Apple is losing the spirit of doing things itself, whether other people dislikes it. Ap…

In this case, consumers were demanding a keyboard that... ya know, works for more than six months. Maybe they did try to iterate, but the fundamental design was just flawed. Who knows? Maybe they'll change it again down the road, but you only have so long between revs, and they had a design which works in their back pocket.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by LeoPanthera »

dfabulich wrote: post #74

Wait, so are individual keys repairable, or not? This ifixit article says, "Once again, the keyboard assembly is riveted down. Though the switches are likely less vulnerable to crumbly assailants, the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards." That directly contradicts statements from Apple to The Verge. https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/13/20962380/apples-16-inch-... "Apple says that it has…

The keycaps are replacable but the keyswitches are not.

I don't know of any Apple laptop that ever had replacable keyswitches.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by randyrand »

pcr910303 wrote: post #67

As I have already said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21524049 : > I hate the wobbly feeling that the scissor mechanism produces. Apple didn't need to return to the scissor mechanism, it should have reiterated the design. I'm very disappointed that Apple just gave up & used the safe way of regressing back. > It feels like Apple is losing the spirit of doing things itself, whether other people dislikes it. Ap…

Having 3 repair programs is not a sign of just doing things “different”.
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