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Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by malvosenior » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 9:53 PM UTC

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #105

aphextim wrote: post #20

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I enjoy the "Epstein didn't kill himself" meme as it encompasses both ideas. Popular, he was murdered to be silenced from his handlers. Unpopular, he is still alive and living somewhere in secret. However if the meme was changed a little bit, even to "Who killed Epstein?" that would omit the 2nd more unpopular theory altogether.

I liked how I saw it explained here. That the Epstein murder is our generations largest admission from the elite class that they not only exist but the rules definitely do not apply to them. I think the Epstein memes are definitely something people of every ideology enjoy.

Since the media won't properly cover the story, memes are the only way the public has to keep it from being swept under the rug.

> That the Epstein murder is our generations largest admission from the elite class that they not only exist but the rules definitely do not apply to them.

Couldn't agree more, thankfully the internet is throwing a wrench into the plan. Even if it's unclear that justice will ultimately be served.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by poxrud » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 9:55 PM UTC

lemmox wrote: post #78

jokoon wrote: post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

Many tax havens are actually quite stable and have very reliable banking systems. Canada encourages "snow washing" with Limited Partnerships. Canada's banks are quite good and the corporate legislation allows a degree of anonymity. This structure has no obligation to file taxes in Canada. The partners in the structure have to pay taxes however if the partner is not a Canadian entity that obligation is in some other j…

But Canada shares banking data with the IRS.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fatca-tax-us-canada-1.53539...

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #94

mcphage wrote: post #85

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> This loophole was unintentional That seems a pretty hard pill to swallow.

Laws can have bugs too

Well put. Software is largely built of contracts; so are laws and any other interfacing agreements (as cold as that sounds).

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by iudqnolq » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 9:59 PM UTC

malvosenior wrote: post #114

iudqnolq wrote: post #23

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I found former prosecutor and current defense attorney Ken White's perspective on Epstein's death very interesting. Many of the arguments for a conspiracy are based in a misunderstanding of how awfully our justice system treats people all the time. Being on suicide watch and not being helped is normal . > Ken "Popehat" White (previously) has expanded on his excellent Twitter thread about Jeffrey Epstein's suicide in…

No one had killed themselves in that prison in over ten years. You have to really contort all the information available in this case to see it as anything other than a massive cover up. People in the media going out of their way to claim it's a "conspiracy theory" should be held in utmost suspicion. Look at how ABC spiked the story of Epstein before it became public and how the other major networks have since played…

Ken White has been criticizing the Justice system for years. His point is that Epstein's death should be seen as a wake-up call to improve the treatment of people in our prisons, and not an anomaly.

I found sources saying that guards were working 16-hour days and cutting corners regularly at the MCC (https://apnews.com/39ca1eb755914af8b273966c268a0a9b).

I couldn't find a source for your claim that no one else had committed suicide in the MCC in over ten years. Cite?

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by _8j50 » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:01 PM UTC

joshypants wrote: post #111

_8j50 wrote: post #70

From what I read the hack was not sophisticated at all. If they had decent endpoint protection this would not have happened. Maybe they disabled defender after the initial access and privesc because defender blocks Get-Keystrokes and other things in empire,even with significant modification. Anyway, I don't care about the hacktivism and propaganda (don't really get it -- tbh,rich people bad/corrupt?) But would very m…

The future of the species is literally imperiled right now because we've allowed rich people to hoard wealth, so that's a reason to care.

Really? I thought governments had a lot more, like trillions more. I thought the quality of life for humanity has never been better than now? Do you mean climate change? If so how does rich people's greed fit in the picture.

I don't think they should hoard cash, there should be a limit on that but net worth usually includea stock value, wealth in form of stocks is far from hoarding. I think cash wealth limits and a legal limit on pay gap would help but I still don't see the rich do anything they haven't done throughout history. If anything, democraric processes and institutions are failing the people.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by malvosenior » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:03 PM UTC

iudqnolq wrote: post #124

malvosenior wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one had killed themselves in that prison in over ten years. You have to really contort all the information available in this case to see it as anything other than a massive cover up. People in the media going out of their way to claim it's a "conspiracy theory" should be held in utmost suspicion. Look at how ABC spiked the story of Epstein before it became public and how the other major networks have since played…

Ken White has been criticizing the Justice system for years. His point is that Epstein's death should be seen as a wake-up call to improve the treatment of people in our prisons, and not an anomaly. I found sources saying that guards were working 16-hour days and cutting corners regularly at the MCC ( https://apnews.com/39ca1eb755914af8b273966c268a0a9b ). I couldn't find a source for your claim that no one else had c…

> I couldn't find a source for your claim that no one else had committed suicide in the MCC in over ten years. Cite?

Sure, one successful suicide in 21 years:

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impo...

Anyone leaving that bit of information out of their narrative is being willfully deceptive or is not informed enough to have an opinion they should be making public.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by corodra » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:05 PM UTC

jokoon wrote: post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

>What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked?

Switzerland, WW2. There is safety in holding EVERYONE's money. Because the moment you try it, you enrage many, many, many people who have things that go boom. You can fuck with someone's politics, their car or even their wife. But once you fuck with someone's money, it's a whole new ball game.

> I don't understand how this is even legal at all

Bank fees are higher. The different "islands" that do this, really don't have a choice. WTF else are they going to do as income generation? There's only so many happy endings you can give in a day spa. It's also easier to "invest" and hide the money in tourist based enterprises on said islands. It totally makes sense to hire an interior designer for $10k an hour.

>how can they trust so few people to hide so much money

Because people don't like getting into car accidents. When you're "trusted" with something on that level, suddenly people make sure you either don't have or do have car accidents that magically attract stray bullets.

>I mean apparently there is a long list of why it's risky, and I don't understand how this is even legal at all.

Homie, avocado farmers in Mexico get kidnapped and executed because avocados are cash crops. Shit, look up "avocado stolen" or even "avocado semitruck stolen". No such thing as making bank and not having risk. Some of those truck drivers in the USA get killed. If you're going to get targeted for making money, might as well go all out.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by presumably » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:06 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #112

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #98

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Our first pen test, before I took over as CTO... We had a JSON file with admin credentials on a shared drive. IT company needed it there so some tool could log in as admin and do some robot work. Fired them, and good riddance. But... STUPID SIMPLE things can get overlooked for years until you have someone else come in and test. +1 for pentests.

So after firing the vendor, who on your side got fired for allowing it in the first place?

The way you phrase the question is odd/misleading.

GP wrote that he replaced the previous CTO.

Before firing the vendor, the responsible party on their side had already left the role.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by balls187 » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:06 PM UTC

sbarre wrote: post #64

jokoon wrote: post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

There is a great book you should read called Treasure Islands[0]. It's equal parts fascinating and infuriating, and makes you realize the system has never been set up fairly. Rich people have always had their own financial systems that are outside of, and one step ahead of, the regulations and rules the rest of us are subject to. [0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10197857-treasure-island...

Reminds me of a quote from the film The Usual Suspects-- "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

The system remains that way in part because a large number of people are duped into believing it is in their best interest to keep the system in place, despite the minuscule probability of actually benefiting from it.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:07 PM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #58

52-6F-62 wrote: post #48

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> tax and legal purposes This may be terribly naive, but doesn't that make the business de-facto illegal? What kind of legitimate business deserves to buck paying into the systems that support them? As a default I want to disagree, but I would like to know what business needs to operate outside of these constraints. Surely the businesses utilizing the favours of banks like Cayman are not being operated within tyranni…

I still can’t believe it’s legal to move from SF to Texas if you were born and raised in SF. You owe the good people of San Francisco repayment for raising and nurturing you. Leaving after all that education and local services is a corrupt tax-dodge into a state without income tax.

Texas receives more federal dollars than it contributes. The real tax dodge is perpetrated by state governments that manipulate the federal budget to their benefit.