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Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

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After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

The money isn't being kept there for safety, it's being kept there for anonymity and easy access. These countries don't ask any questions when you show up and ask to withdraw a million dollars. Maybe you're withdrawing that money to buy a yacht, maybe you're withdrawing it to buy drugs, maybe you're withdrawing it to pay for a seat on Epstein Air. Banks in developed countries ask questions, these banks in these count…

Yep, and the moment someone starts asking questions or being "uncooperative" they are dealt with - as was Amine Halawi in [0].

[0] https://theintercept.com/2019/10/26/jho-low-1mbd-comoros-off...

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#42
post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

The Cayman Islands has robust financial regulations and is a financial center.

It is also reliant on the UK for military assistance, and as you can see the bank records for this particular institution are digital.

You are grouping everything together with misplaced isolationist paranoia.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#43
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth Enlightened self interest. Those "insignificant" islands are generally speaking countries. By showing respect for the rule of law even in situations where they could easily overwhelm with force or economic power smaller nations, the larger ones reinforce that the law matters. The larger countries use as a defense the id…

That's a pretty noble, if naive reason. "Rule of law" stops where economic interests begin and always has. Rule of law didn't stop the invasion of Iraq. Rule of law hasn't stopped the countless CIA backed coups in South America. Rule of law didn't stop funding/promoting the Arab spring. Larger countries constantly bully smaller ones and will continue to do so anytime it's economically convenient. The reason Grand Cay…

> Rule of law didn't stop the invasion of Iraq. Rule of law hasn't stopped the countless CIA backed coups in South America. Rule of law didn't stop funding/promoting the Arab spring.

These places were all considered "rogue states" at some point, i.e. places that openly neglected the very same rule of law which protects others. Being a 'rogue' state may leave you open to being bullied, but that's hardly inconsistent with rule of law being very important.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#44
post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

The Cayman Islands has robust financial regulations and is a financial center. It is also reliant on the UK for military assistance, and as you can see the bank records for this particular institution are digital. You are grouping everything together with misplaced isolationist paranoia.

The Cayman Islands is a vassal state of the global one percent as a tax shelter. Let's call it what it really is. It's not a global financial center the way NYC or Hong Kong or Tokyo are.

It's a sand bar with a bunch of post office box company registries and some banks. I hear there is also good snorkeling.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#45
post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

Using a throwaway for obvious reasons. I have a fair bit of insight into this industry, both from friends, acquaintances, and family who use a variety of offshore structures to manage their wealth and from my own dealings (the company I founded and currently manage is offshored for tax and legal purposes). What people don’t realise is that aside from a couple outliers offshore jurisdictions aren’t that shady at all a…

"the company I founded and currently manage is offshored for tax and legal purposes"

Simply curious, how do you feel about the ethics of this? Is it to reduce the tax burden in your company's home country?

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#46
post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

>why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth Enlightened self interest. Those "insignificant" islands are generally speaking countries. By showing respect for the rule of law even in situations where they could easily overwhelm with force or economic power smaller nations, the larger ones reinforce that the law matters. The larger countries use as a defense the id…

this doesn't pass the smell test for me. first, we're talking about powerful vs. not so let's not use area as a proxy for power; that's not appropriate.

given that, history is rife with examples of powerful nations basically looking the other way when other countries not in their playpen get "bullied". these large international bodies e.g. League of Nations, UN have all failed generally when powerful entities decide they want to shake things up. individuals countries, obligated by treaty, also failed when e.g. Germany decided it wanted to chow down on "certain" parts of Europe. consider pre-WW2, Israel, what the US has done post-WW2, China/Xinjiang, etc. etc.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Cayman Islands has robust financial regulations and is a financial center. It is also reliant on the UK for military assistance, and as you can see the bank records for this particular institution are digital. You are grouping everything together with misplaced isolationist paranoia.

The Cayman Islands is a vassal state of the global one percent as a tax shelter. Let's call it what it really is. It's not a global financial center the way NYC or Hong Kong or Tokyo are. It's a sand bar with a bunch of post office box company registries and some banks. I hear there is also good snorkeling.

Their legislative branch is extremely competent at evaluating and passing competitive laws for business and banking, their executive branch is extremely competent at providing the administrative services and modern digital facilities for international business and banking, and their judicial branch is extremely competent at resolving disputes.

The government's budget is also balanced without passive taxation of this sector.

Most jurisdictions, whether they are other island nations or a state in the US are not competent in any of these regards and this has utility on this planet.

It would be an understatement for me to just point out how much I don't care how uncompetitive other nations are in this regard, and I also don't care about the challenges for them to become competitive.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#48
post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

Using a throwaway for obvious reasons. I have a fair bit of insight into this industry, both from friends, acquaintances, and family who use a variety of offshore structures to manage their wealth and from my own dealings (the company I founded and currently manage is offshored for tax and legal purposes). What people don’t realise is that aside from a couple outliers offshore jurisdictions aren’t that shady at all a…

> tax and legal purposes

This may be terribly naive, but doesn't that make the business de-facto illegal? What kind of legitimate business deserves to buck paying into the systems that support them? As a default I want to disagree, but I would like to know what business needs to operate outside of these constraints.

Surely the businesses utilizing the favours of banks like Cayman are not being operated within tyrannical countries (which is the first and only reasoning I can see for operating in the manor you prescribed).

The very fact that they operate this way seems shady to me.

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#49
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a throwaway for obvious reasons. I have a fair bit of insight into this industry, both from friends, acquaintances, and family who use a variety of offshore structures to manage their wealth and from my own dealings (the company I founded and currently manage is offshored for tax and legal purposes). What people don’t realise is that aside from a couple outliers offshore jurisdictions aren’t that shady at all a…

"the company I founded and currently manage is offshored for tax and legal purposes" Simply curious, how do you feel about the ethics of this? Is it to reduce the tax burden in your company's home country?

> quite frankly draconian rules that usually places them on US/EU/OECD blacklists

Assuming ethics is not a concern

Re: Hacker Publishes 2TB of Data from Cayman National Bank

#50
post #21

After watching The laundromat, I think it's big news. Although I will always be curious why countries are letting those small, insignificant islands and countries manage all this wealth, and why they're trusted to do it. This can't be secure or safe. I'm curious about the diplomacy and the political implications of this. What if their office get robbed? What if the island gets attacked? What if one of those shady ban…

A recent piece in The Guardian argues that South Dakota and other US states are actually becoming the go-to place to store anonymously your illicit cash and make sure that your heirs can inherit it without taxes forever: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-amer...

Partly because the US has compelled other countries to provide more transparency without joining that transparency organization itself.

"Congress responded with the Financial Assets Tax Compliance Act (Fatca), forcing foreign financial institutions to tell the US government about any American-owned assets on their books. Department of Justice investigations were savage: UBS paid a $780m fine, and its rival Credit Suisse paid $2.6bn, while Wegelin, Switzerland’s oldest bank, collapsed altogether under the strain. The amount of US-owned money in the country plunged, with Credit Suisse losing 85% of its American customers.

The rest of the world, inspired by this example, created a global agreement called the Common Reporting Standard (CRS). Under CRS, countries agreed to exchange information on the assets of each other’s citizens kept in each other’s banks. The tax-evading appeal of places like Jersey, the Bahamas and Liechtenstein evaporated almost immediately, since you could no longer hide your wealth there.

How was a rich person to protect his wealth from the government in this scary new transparent world? Fortunately, there was a loophole. CRS had been created by lots of countries together, and they all committed to telling each other their financial secrets. But the US was not part of CRS, and its own system – Fatca – only gathers information from foreign countries; it does not send information back to them. This loophole was unintentional, but vast: keep your money in Switzerland, and the world knows about it; put it in the US and, if you were clever about it, no one need ever find out. The US was on its way to becoming a truly world-class tax haven."

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