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Re: Black Tide in Brazil

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Post by malandrew »

zentiggr wrote: post #17
inetknght wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turning communications equipment off is all that's necessary to disappear from radar?

Not exactly... turning off radios would prevent inadvertent/automatic transmissions disabling transponders would reduce footprint on more modernized port control radars not using radar from ownship reduces the chance of being seen all these together would render the ship's ELINT footprint down to an old school blob on whatever radar plot that's about as anonymous as you can get without active countermeasures and thos…

Can you tell us more about the active countermeasures? How do they work and what makes them very obvious?

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Post by marcosdumay »

inetknght wrote: post #12
jiofih wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right on. Chemical analysis has already confirmed that the oil comes from Venezuelan fields, and the quantity is smaller than you’d expect, they are currently investigating a handful of suspect ships, but most likely the responsible one would have had its comm equipment turned off and hence not recorded by radar.

Turning communications equipment off is all that's necessary to disappear from radar?

Yes for active radar. As ships aren't flying, passive radars have a very small range.

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Post by marcosdumay »

gtirloni wrote: post #7
myth_drannon wrote: post #2

A bit of local context. The Brazilian president accused Green Peace in staging the accident. Also according to Bolsanaro fish are not dumb and if they see oil they are going to avoid it (that was a real treasure for memes).

I wonder when the middle class and the entrepreneurs will realize the price was too high for the promise of reforms. I won't comment on other countries but the 2018 elections in Brazil are a warning for all people that think voting for an "outsider" is the way to solve problems. Fun fact, Bolsonaro has been a politician for 28 years but still ran the campaign on the "outsider" message. Reason #1 I'm avoiding the news…

Up to now the price has been much, much smaller than with the previous government.

My vote in particular went to another candidate, but if popular pools are to be trusted, the low, middle, and upper classes are all mildly satisfied with him.

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Post by wil421 »

inetknght wrote: post #12
jiofih wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right on. Chemical analysis has already confirmed that the oil comes from Venezuelan fields, and the quantity is smaller than you’d expect, they are currently investigating a handful of suspect ships, but most likely the responsible one would have had its comm equipment turned off and hence not recorded by radar.

Turning communications equipment off is all that's necessary to disappear from radar?

Think of the air traffic controller screens in Movies or TV Shows. It shows Delta 1234 from the aircraft’s transponder. Similar to ships, the ones with radars would still see a blip but there wouldn’t be an info on screen. The Automated Identification System (AIS) wouldn’t be broadcasting.

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Post by aylons »

mrwebmaster wrote: post #18
soneca wrote: post #3

Total especutlation mode about the origin of this disaster: Venezuela is suffering oil export sanctions. When that kind of sanction happens it's not uncommon to transport oil in ships with "rented" flags or no flags to ports of close countries, so the oil is incorporated to that country's production and can be sold. It is a tiny quantity, but generate some money to some people. As everything clandestine, this transpo…

A common hypothesis in South America is that Maduro did that on purpose. Maduro and Bolsonaro are on the opposite side of the political spectrum and I don't find that hard to believe.

This is not common at all, except in a few fringe groups. Also, if you don't find that hard to believe, maybe you should check out your information sources.

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Post by darksaints »

Ross Kemp did an excellent documentary about the rise of piracy in Nigeria that investigated the motives of the pirates. It actually ended up being about how the rise of massive pollution from oil companies, enabled by government corruption, destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of Nigerian villagers who no longer could fish or grow crops.

We can't get off of our oil addiction fast enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjGl8CLjKh0

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Post by edjrage »

joelvalleroy wrote: post #6
myth_drannon wrote: post #2

A bit of local context. The Brazilian president accused Green Peace in staging the accident. Also according to Bolsanaro fish are not dumb and if they see oil they are going to avoid it (that was a real treasure for memes).

Can they see the oil? I read mobile fish can avoid it, but shellfish and such can't move that fast if they're already in it. https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/e...

You don't even have to dispute him. He rarely has any clue of what he talks about, and that's blatantly true here when he believes oil spillings are all about "fish".

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Post by dyingkneepad »

pvaldes wrote: post #15
myth_drannon wrote: post #2

A bit of local context. The Brazilian president accused Green Peace in staging the accident. Also according to Bolsanaro fish are not dumb and if they see oil they are going to avoid it (that was a real treasure for memes).

Bolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about how to manage an ecological emergency.

Bolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about *.

Re: Black Tide in Brazil

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Post by edjrage »

marcosdumay wrote: post #24
gtirloni wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder when the middle class and the entrepreneurs will realize the price was too high for the promise of reforms. I won't comment on other countries but the 2018 elections in Brazil are a warning for all people that think voting for an "outsider" is the way to solve problems. Fun fact, Bolsonaro has been a politician for 28 years but still ran the campaign on the "outsider" message. Reason #1 I'm avoiding the news…

Up to now the price has been much, much smaller than with the previous government. My vote in particular went to another candidate, but if popular pools are to be trusted, the low, middle, and upper classes are all mildly satisfied with him.

> the low, middle, and upper classes are all mildly satisfied with him.

See, that's where you're making a mistake. People being satisfied != things going right. Apparently you can't say this and not be called all sorts of names, but democracy doesn't work when most of the population is deeply ignorant.

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