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Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by Koshkin »

ggzgd wrote: post #82
sneak wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is a human right. Encryption backdoors for governments are human rights abuses. It has nothing to do with safety; it is not a debate about “how much safety do we purchase with reduced privacy”. It’s just as firearms rights have nothing to do with hunting, or a militia.

Human rights are man-made and arbitrary. They aren't some kind of holy text that must be protected at all costs. They must be bent and ignored if necessary. You can't just say "this is a human right" to shut down any discussion.

Human rights were fought for an won in bloody struggles. We do not want to lose them again.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by matz1 »

hgoel wrote: post #157
ggzgd wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human rights are man-made and arbitrary. They aren't some kind of holy text that must be protected at all costs. They must be bent and ignored if necessary. You can't just say "this is a human right" to shut down any discussion.

That's a hilariously bad take.

Can u elaborate? If human rights is not arbitrary nor man made then its come from god ?

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by blaser-waffle »

ddtaylor wrote: post #150
cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #22

Sigh. What we can basically tell from this is that the Five Eyes crew have joint legislation ready to go on this and are now going to insert an easy-to-digest and appealing narrative into the mainstream ahead of the release of that legislation. The combination of "But the children! You don't support child predators, do you?!", low general technical understanding and overall apathy to the removal of our rights (in the…

I would say that time has already passed since many social media companies have such a grip already.

Yeah but I don't have to opt into social media. And I can run my own OpenVPN tunnel on Digital Ocean or Linode or whatever.

Outlaw crypto and I can't, the choice has been removed. Prepare to be watched, citizen.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by matz1 »

Koshkin wrote: post #191
ggzgd wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human rights are man-made and arbitrary. They aren't some kind of holy text that must be protected at all costs. They must be bent and ignored if necessary. You can't just say "this is a human right" to shut down any discussion.

Human rights were fought for an won in bloody struggles. We do not want to lose them again.

Thats true if we assume that every human want the same thing. But the reason there is bloody fight in the first place is not all human want the same thing. Is good for you if you are in the winning side, you certainly don't want to lose them but you can't say the same for the other side. They too want to be on the winning side.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by protomyth »

wruza wrote: post #43
protomyth wrote: post #17

Encryption is math, and not even hard math at that. You have as much chance of stopping evil people from using encryption as you have of stopping them from doing multiplication. Make every politician who opposes encryption feel like an idiot for thinking they can stop people from adding and multiplying.

Sadly, courts will laugh and proceed. The same argument could be done for firearms – it’s just physics, and not even space/quantum physics. Really, a device pushing a small body to some direction via expansion of another body. It’s all bodies, you can’t stop people from surrounding them with these. If adopted, a law will state “the piece of information for which format and representation cannot be detected in a consi…

Courts are not our worry. Politicians making the laws are the problem. We need to focus on those passing these laws and make them fear any law limiting encryption. Encryption isn't even complicated math, and can be done with a deck of cards.

We need to emphasis there is no safe backdoor, and all politicians are doing is ensuring our money will be stolen and our pictures of our children will end up in the hands of perverts and freaks because of unencrypted data breaches. "Why do you want your constituents ripped off?" "Why do you want little Timmy's picture stolen by perverts?" Turn it around, make them the evil ones. The only real way to protect ourselves is to actually make this a voting issue and make the other side out to be the villain. Its been a while since politics was logical arguments and being a victim of these idiots is getting old.

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Post by Koshkin »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #188
coldcode wrote: post #160

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I for one are ready to give up my encryption when the politicians do it first and we see how well that works.

Next time someone tells me "Why would you need encryption if you have nothing to hide?" I'mma just answer with "Why do you need clothes then?"

Originally, only to keep oneself warm.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by Fjolsvith »

bboygravity wrote: post #171
scandox wrote: post #158

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So you don't reckon representative democracy works at all. In which case what is there to talk about here? You should be out attending to the business of revolution, not yakking on forums about incremental change right? Personally at present I think representative democracy is working, but that people are very dishonest about what they really want.

> So you don't reckon representative democracy works at all. What do you mean by "works"? A violent dictatorship with a genocide here and there works perfectly fine, depending on your definition of "works". > In which case what is there to talk about here? Priorities. Should the priority be to discuss the importance of encryption. Or should the priority be to discuss the importance of means to influence decisions abo…

> You mean literally losing a hand or an eye as a yellow vest? Or something like that? Nah. Meh, thanks. Not the best option I would say.

Tell that to the Hong Kong protesters.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by leftyted »

I disagree with the tone of the comments here.

Encryption is scary. Of course law enforcement is dismayed by the possibility that certain kinds of crimes could leave behind no trace at all. What these people, who want to regulate encryption, don't seem to understand is that this is the downside of living in a free society. In a free society, people can commit crimes, and sometimes they can get away with them. We've made a deliberate choice to structure our society this way rather than optimizing for preventing crimes or punishing criminals. This is the right choice.

At the same time, you have to understand the temptation of structuring your society in a different way, in order to punish the guilty and protect the innocent. That perspective truly has massive appeal. Comments that fail to acknowledge this and boil down to "you can't regulate math" are not good arguments. They're condescending and far too dismissive of a facet of human psychology that is actually admirable (a strong preference for justice). A better argument acknowledges these things but reiterates the liberal arguments that undergird our societies (which have turned out rather well, if you ask me).

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