Is "chaos" simply the point where humans lose the ability to keep track of things, or is there a more ..universal definition?
Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
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Re: Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
#22I thought this was going to be about the popsci book with a similar name: Chaos: Making a New Science https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64582.Chaos
Ah, I loved that book as a teen. Unfortunately I lent it to an ex whom I broke up with before she had returned it and never spoken with eversince. I fondly remember tinkering with a PHP program (that was the only language I knew at the time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) to draw the bifurcation diagram of the logistic map which then I used as my desktop background.
Re: Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
#23Is "chaos" simply the point where humans lose the ability to keep track of things, or is there a more ..universal definition?
Edward Lorenz
Re: Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
#24Cvitanovic's book, and apparently Cvitanovic himself (I've traded an email or two, but he's friends of friends -and seems to always make a big impression in person) is amazing. It's been around in some form or other since I was wrapping up my ph.d. thesis in a related subject, and I remember being mad as hell it didn't exist when I started as it had the most understandable explanations of the Gutzwiller trace formula…
Re: Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
#25Is "chaos" simply the point where humans lose the ability to keep track of things, or is there a more ..universal definition?
The ability of an observer to keep track of things is not relevant, and even completely computable things like cellular automata can be chaotic [1]. The common definition of chaotic dynamics [2] requires the system to be sensitive to initial conditions, mix the state space, and have dense periodic orbits. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_30#Chaos . [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory#Chaotic_dynamics
I found this to be the most intuitive example (for myself to grok):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_pendulum#/media/File:De...
Re: Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
#26This book looks really useful: a complete introduction with all the prerequisites, in one place. (I apologize that this comment is not funny.)
Re: Chaos, and what to do about it (2018)
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ability of an observer to keep track of things is not relevant, and even completely computable things like cellular automata can be chaotic [1]. The common definition of chaotic dynamics [2] requires the system to be sensitive to initial conditions, mix the state space, and have dense periodic orbits. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_30#Chaos . [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory#Chaotic_dynamics
Thanks. I found this to be the most intuitive example (for myself to grok): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_pendulum#/media/File:De...