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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by int_19h »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #661
int_19h wrote: post #477

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Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. For fairly obvious reasons: women are the ones who have to deal with far more serious consequences of unprotected sex. And as for robots... consider the relative popularity of mechanical aids such as vibrators for women, and for men. I'd say that w…

>>>Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. I should have clarified, I wasn't referring to condoms but to pill-style oral contraceptives. Entirely my fault for the lack of specificity.[1][2] >>>I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago. Not as a replacement for THEMSELVE…

I was hoping for some studies. This is a good example of "anecdotes are not data", and especially so that most of these are tabloid op-eds. It's a stretch to conclude something as broad as "women resist things like sex robots and male contraception" - such a claim strongly implies the majority, but all I'm seeing here is a few angry people, and sensationalist journalists happy to give them a platform.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by uberduber »

patrec wrote: post #559
uberduber wrote: post #394

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Used to work in a business that sold porn DVDs and had to deal with chargebacks. We had an inbound sales call center, and a customer service one where you could cancel. Among the chargebacks, fraud is the most common reason code, but the amount of true fraud such as stolen credit cards is astoundingly low to the point of being almost non-existent. I would say 90% of cases were the angry spouse and the man denying it.…

So what happens with those angry spouse chargebacks? You just eat the loss if that happens (and ban the customer)?

We eat the loss and the chargeback fee, it's just a cost of business.

It's not worth it to ban the customer. 90% of them don't buy again. Of the 10% that do, it's worth it to keep their business and risk the chargebacks. Most of them get better at hiding the porn. Also if we did this we would end up banning great customers who closed their card due to actual fraud and the bank just ending charging back everything after a certain date.

There just weren't really that many trying to scam us out of DVDs. Other business factors affect your chargeback rate way more than these customers.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by zelly »

spookthesunset wrote: post #376
zelly wrote: post #253

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You can use an ATM (or localbitcoins) to cash out Bitcoin without any connection to your bank account. Bitcoin doesn't have to be ubiquitous to use it even today, you just have to find businesses that accept Bitcoin. A buddy of mine accepts rent from a tenant in Bitcoin. There are exchanges to buy gift cards or Amazon credits with Bitcoin which you can use in real life to buy food. You can realistically go about your…

> There are exchanges to buy gift cards or Amazon credits with Bitcoin which you can use in real life to buy food. Which I’m sure are totally legit and not at all primarily used to launder money.

Feature, not a bug

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by oneplane »

Ut_Pwnsim wrote: post #677
oneplane wrote: post #433

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Where in the world would a wire transfer cost 20 bucks? It's practically free here unless you do something that makes the bank do extra work.

USA: https://www.wellsfargo.com/online-banking/service-fees $30 to send a wire transfer, just within the country. And $15 to receive one too.

Why the heck do people use those kinds banks over there? Seems to me it takes away all the usefulness of one. It's a money bucket where you put money in and take money out. As soon as one of those three aspects is not there, then what is the point?

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Post by oneplane »

xfer wrote: post #479
oneplane wrote: post #433

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Where in the world would a wire transfer cost 20 bucks? It's practically free here unless you do something that makes the bank do extra work.

International transfers?

Even those are like 9 euros if you send over 1k.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by oneplane »

netmonk wrote: post #634
oneplane wrote: post #431

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But then how would you know if you are processing stolen money?

how do you know that the cashback the shop clerk is handing your right now for your diet coke purchase wasnt used three days ago for buying Heroin in the street ? We dont know and we dont care !

Because it comes from a known source. The problem isn't where the physical money has been in the past it's entire lifetime but what it enabled last. This is also why laundering money is a thing, because if you can prove you got the money in a clean way you are no longer on the hook.

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Post by codexon »

keymone wrote: post #570
codexon wrote: post #456

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So what happens if you aren't linked even indirectly? What if the trust chain is 20 users long? Who's going to spend the resources to find this chain? And has it been tested to scale, or is it just like Bitcoin in the early days where people said it would scale and never tested it? People are going to gravitate to putting all their money into a large exchange like Coinbase to avoid these problems.

There is no trust chain. You have no idea how lightning works. Every hop only knows the previous and next one, nothing else, not even the length of the chain. Your computer/phone finds the route and if you’re ok with privacy trade off you can outsource this task to your hub for a fee in single satoshis. People are going to gravitate towards convenient solutions making all sorts of security, privacy and financial risk…

There is a trust chain. If there was 0 trust involved then you could pick random nodes instead of needing to find a specific path. Sure there's cryptographic trickery involved so it is harder to steal the money, but it can still happen.

Large centralized lightning nodes will form and they will act like banks and be able to stop payments to arbitrary entities like Paypal, and even make the payment get stuck for days or weeks depending on how long the timeout is.

From the paper itself.

"the network will look a lot like the correspondent banking network"

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by CapricornNoble »

int_19h wrote: post #741
CapricornNoble wrote: post #661

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>>>Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. I should have clarified, I wasn't referring to condoms but to pill-style oral contraceptives. Entirely my fault for the lack of specificity.[1][2] >>>I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago. Not as a replacement for THEMSELVE…

I was hoping for some studies. This is a good example of "anecdotes are not data", and especially so that most of these are tabloid op-eds. It's a stretch to conclude something as broad as "women resist things like sex robots and male contraception" - such a claim strongly implies the majority, but all I'm seeing here is a few angry people, and sensationalist journalists happy to give them a platform.

From[1]: "For the second question, we found a marginal effect with men being more open to the idea of having sex robots (36 men in favor vs. 21 against) as a result of filling out the survey, while women being more against it (19 women in favor vs. 24 against)"

Or from[2]:"The only specific robot type with significant effects was sex robots: men (Mdn=3) reported them as being significantly more useful (women, Mdn=4), and men (Mdn=5) were also more willing to acquire a sex robot (women, Mdn=5)."

But both of these are user/owner-based perspectives on sex robots, rather than directly answering "How do you feel about competing with robots in the sexual marketplace?"

However, [3] points out that "Women compete by enhancing physical appearance and denigrating rivals’ reputations." [emphasis mine]. It stands to reason that women would continue to denigrate sexual competitors, even if those competitors are artificial constructs.

[1]https://hrilab.tufts.edu/publications/scheutzarnold16hri.pdf

[2]http://hci.cs.umanitoba.ca/assets/publication_files/beyond_p...

[3]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016748701...

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by usr1106 »

dual_basis wrote: post #680
usr1106 wrote: post #503

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So what. Everyone being capable of doing so should pay tax to maintain society functional. That banks should pay tax in form of a couple of free debit card transactions for poor people is not an unfair share. Banks earn enough money because society no longer works without debit cards.

No, I was saying that it is strange that the debit card is only free if you use it a few times. If you give me a debit card and I don't use it, what did it cost you? A few pennies for the plastic?

Ah, I read the original message as the card and its usage are free as long as you don't have too many transactions. No idea, my knowledge about Poland is very close to zero :(
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