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Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by paulddraper »

ansible wrote: post #159
basch wrote: post #99

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Part of Prime is getting you to give them $120 membership fee so you feel youre getting some kind of bonus buying from them ("free shipping") which reduces comparison shopping. I'm probably not going to buy $100/year memberships to costco, walmart, amazon, and target, even though im half way there and really tempted to pull the trigger on another. The membership fees almost pay for themselves just in preventing me fr…

I feel that Costco is worth it just based on bulk-buying toilet paper, dish detergent, and such.

I have Costco premium or whatever the highest one is.

Consistently great quality + deals.

Right now they're selling a Costco-sized box of 1,500 Legos for $40.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival

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Post by JohnFen »

windthrown wrote: post #310
JohnFen wrote: post #119

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Yes, I can understand that. But Facebook's model, for instance, also prices people out. I am entirely unwilling to use Facebook because I consider it far too expensive. True, I'm paying with data rather than cash, but it's still paying. From my point of view, $12.99/mo is actually cheaper (assuming that paying that means I'm not going to be datamined).

Being “priced out” because you personally value your data more than others is a valid viewpoint, but that’s not the same thing as being priced out because you don’t have money.

That seems like a difference in viewpoint. I can understand your stance, but I don't share it. To me, being "priced out" means that something costs more than you are willing and able to pay.

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Post by rollcat »

kentonv wrote: post #259
rollcat wrote: post #89

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> What we need is a cloud platform that allows people to deploy code to computers on their home network, or any cloud, or any data center... one that encourages and assists with cloud native design and aims to reduce load rather than hope you architect incorrectly and happily charge for the waste. Sandstorm tried this, and they got very very far. I think it was ingenious, but the sysadmin in me was very skeptical abo…

We (Sandstorm) had an HA/scaling story, which we called "Blackrock"[0], and it was (and still is) the basis for the Sandstorm Oasis hosting service. I actually think we spent far too much time on that part too early. It turns out we could have operated Oasis by running regular single-machine Sandstorm on a beefy (though not that beefy) VM and been fine -- honestly, we would have had fewer outages and better performan…

Oh, I've somehow totally missed this - sorry!

> We probably should have spent our time making the platform work better for developers and end users instead [...].

I keep a number of folders / bookmarks / stickies, where I save all the quotes like this one, so that I can then stumble upon them randomly. This is the single most important thing to keep in mind when building any kind of a platform. Developers particularly, are often the most important users of your product, since they will over time help drive the momentum and keep on bringing value.

Thank you for this reminder.

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Post by jasondclinton »

devinjflick wrote: post #318
thekyle wrote: post #202

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Yeah part of the problem with Mastodon is trusting that you're instance will stick around. The only ways I can think to do that are: 1. Host it yourself 2. Use one of the paid instances backed by an established company (I use Librem Social) Perhaps over time some ad supported Mastodon instances will pop up for those willing to pay that way.

Does mastodon have a tool that can create regular back ups to email to you??? Seems relevant for a common problem like this

No, not currently.

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ratfaced-guy wrote: post #294

What I want is a decentralized Reddit not under the control of advertising needs. Reddit redesign has been bad for quality content. I actually find Reddit to be a better source of information and knowledge than Google at this point, mostly because Google has been inundated with paid blog-spam. It's a bit harder to get away with that in Reddit (for the time being, and for whatever reason).

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Post by scarejunba »

bransonf wrote: post #77

I've had a hunch lately that someone would try to create a paid social network, but I never thought the idea would work for the reasons that social media became so popular to begin with. Facebook is popular because it is free, it is easy, it is convenient. Old people, kids, a large proportion of the population has no understanding of how they get all this for free. And most of them don't care. They interact with ads…

Metafilter was started in 1999.

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Post by wolco »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #102
wolco wrote: post #93

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This is why the ad model works better. Local advertisers can bid on his data to show 5 cent ads where someone in northamerica may be worth 5 dollars. Trying to price this as a monthly service removes the ability to offer different prices per region without getting into fairness or causing people to get around the rules by signing up in different regions but watching from another.

They just pointed out that Netflix has different prices per region. Many service providers do.

Netflix has many problems with this model and is currently trying to find a solution. There are services setup to fool netflix into providing content outside of geograpical areas that they are liceased for.

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Post by simias »

cortesoft wrote: post #303
ratfaced-guy wrote: post #294

What I want is a decentralized Reddit not under the control of advertising needs. Reddit redesign has been bad for quality content. I actually find Reddit to be a better source of information and knowledge than Google at this point, mostly because Google has been inundated with paid blog-spam. It's a bit harder to get away with that in Reddit (for the time being, and for whatever reason).

One of the reasons that reddit can avoid 'blog spam' is because as a centralized service, they can control user registration and take measures to prevent bots from signing up for thousands of accounts and upvoting their spam. How would this be prevented in a decentralized system? Spammers would join the network, create thousands of bots, and upvote all their spam.

Reddit doesn't really avoid anything as far as I can tell. A lot of the content in the big subreddits is more or less well concealed "organic advertising".

The upvote system is also basically useless on reddit these days, the site is way too big to enforce any kind of etiquette and people gladly upvote empty one-line quips while they'll bury anybody expressing any form of vaguely dissenting opinion. It's frankly toxic.

At least good old blog spam is easy to identify and ignore.

There are a few topics I care about where you have both big subreddits and also dedicated "old school" forums on third-party websites. The forums are always more interesting and in-depth in my experience, when the subreddits are just a litany of karma-whoring picture posts and low effort so-called "memes".

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Post by rolleiflex »

weavie wrote: post #306
ratfaced-guy wrote: post #294

What I want is a decentralized Reddit not under the control of advertising needs. Reddit redesign has been bad for quality content. I actually find Reddit to be a better source of information and knowledge than Google at this point, mostly because Google has been inundated with paid blog-spam. It's a bit harder to get away with that in Reddit (for the time being, and for whatever reason).

What about Aether : https://getaether.net/ ?

Ah, somebody posted it before I could. :)

(Disclosure: I’m the creator of Aether, happy to answer any questions)

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