This just lends more evidence to the view that the system is rigged.
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#732Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…
There is this guy I watch on YouTube, he had a Patreon account and a BTC address. I don't want to sign up for Patreon, so I sent him BTC.
The great thing about BTC is you can send it so easily without going through all the hoops other 'systems' need. Sure, it isn't so easy to get started with BTC, but once you are in, it is a breeze.
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But Bitcoin won't solve deplatforming, because the existence of Bitcoin doesn't preclude a bank from deplatforming you. Until Bitcoin is ubiquitous (doubtful this will occur in my life time) we are still vulnerable to deplatforming when we go to exchange btc for fiat.
Correct. Banks in Canada are already de-platforming customers suspected of using Bitcoin: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinCA/comments/89gsdk/td_canada... https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinCA/comments/9ckikr/rbc_froze... https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bmo-blocks-cryptocurrency-purcha...
That stuff is all old, banks aren't giving people trouble these days.
Canada is likely to have a BTC ETF in January, so you could say Canada is pretty open to BTC at this point (it is treated like any other exchangeable currency).
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> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously. Job done.
Coinbase has essentially become another bank. They go well beyond KYC requirements and have banned people for things they don't like.
Coinbase is big, but not the best exchange.
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PayPal has also deplatformed gun dealers. No firearms, firearm parts, or ammunition. [1] [1] https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/What-is-PayPal%E...
This is relevant to the argument that Paypal is not merely responding to financial risks, but using its platform to impose its worldview. Guns are highly regulated in the US. Someone violating those regulations in the context on an online business is usually guilty of a felony, and has a high probability of being prosecuted. To my knowledge, guns don't have a high rate of chargebacks, as they involve a papertrail wit…
Ammunition sales don't usually have those requirements. In most states you can buy it online just as easily as a case of beer.
But yes, you are correct.
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I'm living in Germany, the bank account of my neighbor in Commerzbank was closed because he wrote "hooker money" in description when sending money to one of his friends. At least that's what we believe because they refused to explain why. He could easily open another account in Volksbank and according to him, when the new account manager asked and learned why his previous account was closed, they had a pretty good la…
I've been with my bank for 15+ years. One time I sent a payment of several hundred £s to a friend who's paid my share of a holiday when booking. In the description I put "fun times". I had a call from my bank asking me to explain the payment the next day. I've never been called before nor since that. It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references.
> It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references.
I'd say they quite overstepped the boundaries. What are fun times to you and the recipient is certainly not their business. Why would they even waste time reading the RE line if they aren't doing your accounting for you at the same time?
There is even a party rental company named Fun Times. Would they interrogate every cheque written to/from them?
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I think you've just stumbled on the reason that folks are so determined to move us to a "cashless society" In a cashless society, once the folks in charge deplatform you, you cease to be able to engage in any transactions of any kind, and you basically cease to exist.
I agree that that is a consequence. But I don't think it's the primary motivation. When I talk to people around me about cash vs cards everyone agrees that paying with card is so much more convenient, especially when you just have to gently tap the reader with your card. I know many people who have the phone case with space for a few cards. They don't even carry a wallet anymore. They have nowhere to put bulky coins…
Oh, individuals who enjoy using credit cards absolutely have convenience as the primary goal.
Regimes working on creating cash-free societies, where there are no legal anonymous payment schemes, on the other hand, simply want to use the threat of turning off your access to the economy as a means of control.
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Ah, the first thing that comes to mind when someone disagrees with you is accusing them of being a paid shill..
Answer his points, rather than attacking. That is, if you have a valid answer.
Attacking? I merely observed that he called me a payed shill, something I would consider an attack on my integrity. This convinced me that he has no interest in having a grown up conversation. You are more then welcome to do your own critical reading of the "evidence" provided. I'd start by looking into circular references..
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I've been with my bank for 15+ years. One time I sent a payment of several hundred £s to a friend who's paid my share of a holiday when booking. In the description I put "fun times". I had a call from my bank asking me to explain the payment the next day. I've never been called before nor since that. It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references.
> It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references. I'd say they quite overstepped the boundaries. What are fun times to you and the recipient is certainly not their business. Why would they even waste time reading the RE line if they aren't doing your accounting for you at the same time? There is even a party rental company named Fun Times. Would they interrogate every cheque written to/from the…
I'm really not sure. Perhaps it was flagged as unusual and they looked, saw the reference and then questioned it?
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> If it is, then I'm still in the same boat where the Bitcoin network facing node can decide not to service me. Jesus, this is precisely what the lightning network is for! Please, do a little research before dismissing it wholesale. The node you are connected to cannot refuse to pay, because you have a signed, but unpublished transaction of what he owes you (if he owes you). If he suddenly stops contact and says fuck…
No offense, but could you please calm down? I have actually done some research -- to the point of knowing how to implement lightning. However, it is a long time ago and things may have changed. I'm asking you for more information because you seem to know more than me. I'm not trying to shout you down. I'm trying to understand what I'm missing. It's totally fair if you don't feel you have the time or patience to expla…
> No offense, but could you please calm down?
First you write an extremely detailed hypothetical example that is based off entirely incorrect assumptions and then you go on with another assertion in your next post that shows you have no understanding of what the system does.
It would be one thing if we are having a private conversation, but you are posting your uneducated FUD on a public forum. If I don't respond to dispel it, then other people can easily be led to believe what you are saying.
Please take a little responsibility. You doing this is causing a lot of harm, and yes, you should be called a blockhead when you're acting like a blockhead.
> I have actually done some research -- to the point of knowing how to implement lightning.
You know how implement lightning, and yet you don't understand the basics of how it works? I can't see how that is possible, unless you are trying to say you ran some code or have interfaced with a library, which all I can say is, good for you, I guess. Maybe read the white paper next time.
> However, it is a long time ago and things may have changed.
Again with this bs. No, things were never designed in the way you describe.
> I'm asking you for more information because you seem to know more than me.
But you're not doing that. You are asserting conclusions without doing any basic research into what you are talking about.
> I'm trying to understand what I'm missing. It's totally fair if you don't feel you have the time or patience to explain it to me, but for both your sake and mine, it's probably best if you just say that and I won't bother you any more.
If you were simply asking questions, I'd have no problem with it.
But, the issue is that this affects more than you or me when you go about spouting FUD publicly about a good system that actually would work. You do harm to everybody, by preventing it from potentially being adopted.