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The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Von Neumann is something of a hero of mine, in part because of how he demonstrates (by example) that you can achieve surpassing insight by patiently applying logic and analysis to whatever problem is at hand. But also because he shows that you didn't have to be narrowly focused in your area of competence, you could pursue other interests and even excel in those, even if they aren't the things that you're known for.

He really liked history, particularly European history. There's some examples of this in his letters[0], but my favorite von Neumann story on this topic is how he managed to deduce the answer to a literary magazine's poetry trivia question when queried by his brother. They would both be teenagers at the time, and the magazine was in English, as opposed to their native martian, yet John got the solution at once.

Paraphrasing from here[1], although his brother's limited run biography/reminiscences has the story too.

The prize contest had the lines

  They know this well my baron and my men
  Gascony, England, Normandy, Poitou
  That I had never follower so low
  Whom I would leave in prison to my gain
  I say this not as a reproach to them
  But prisoner I am
John replied immediately: "Richard Coeur de Lion".

"Did you know the poem?"

"No."

"Then how did you identify the poet?"

"Very simple" he said. "Gascony, England, Normandy, and Poitou were in one feudal hand only once during the early Plantagenets, and from there it was quite easy to associate with Richard's crusades and European captivity. But of course this is a translation, since quite obviously the early Plantagenets spoke Norman-Midieval French."

His brother then goes on to state: I found out much later that the translation was that of Henry Adams, and the Prison Song is only one of Richard's most perfect poems, usually referred to as gems of English literature!

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0. One to his daughter springs to mind, where he expresses fatherly concern about her getting married during her undergrad-- he's worried that she's too young and this will derail her career. After that's addressed, he then moves on to talking about one of her term papers, and proceeds to suggest an insightful take on-- I believe, I haven't read the letters in a decade-- some medieval French bishop. The juxtaposition of concerned father plus European historian in a man more known for axioms and automata was jarring.

1. "The Legacy of John Von Neumann" from the American Mathematical Society, https://books.google.ca/books?id=XBK-r0gS0YMC&dq (see pg. 22-23)

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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"Von Neumann would carry on a conversation with my 3-year-old son, and the two of them would talk as equals, and I sometimes wondered if he used the same principle when he talked to the rest of us." - Edward Teller See [0] for a demonstration. I watched a documentary from the 80ies a long time ago. A mathematician (can't remember his name) who worked with von Neumann in Los Alamanos was interviewed. He described von…

This is terribly sad. It's also a good lesson in why not to tie your well-being to your identity (or anything else that's impermanent -- which, actually, includes everything). It's a lesson I'm still learning.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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"Von Neumann would carry on a conversation with my 3-year-old son, and the two of them would talk as equals, and I sometimes wondered if he used the same principle when he talked to the rest of us." - Edward Teller See [0] for a demonstration. I watched a documentary from the 80ies a long time ago. A mathematician (can't remember his name) who worked with von Neumann in Los Alamanos was interviewed. He described von…

This is terribly sad. It's also a good lesson in why not to tie your well-being to your identity (or anything else that's impermanent -- which, actually, includes everything ). It's a lesson I'm still learning.

Yeah, you can't not tie your identity to your work to at least some degree, but you can invest in other things, like family and friends, that will soften the blow of losing it.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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I am so happy to see this article about Von Neumann on HN!!! I have been posting about him on here for years, and have read all his books, but not as many of his papers as I would like, they are really hard! I have been working for many years now on continuing his theories of weather control technology and self-replicating machines. He is my absolute personal hero and the scientist who, far above all others, I consid…

That's interesting! Have you made progress on self-replication? I think it's a very important problem. I've made some notes categorized under topics/self-replication.html in http://canonical.org/~kragen/dercuano-20191110.tar.gz , but of course I'm no Johnny von Neumann.

Von Nueman is on the record as saying he believed computers were a sub field of self replicating machines. I believe they will be very important in the future and will have many applications.

Not really, unfortunately. I think it would be fun to build a 3d printer that can replicate itself, but have not tried building any prototypes because besides being too expensive I also havent taken my research into that far enough. I am a very ambitious person and have big plans for the future! What I have done on this subject besides reading about it is very theoretical and abstract, its more of an aspiration right now than an active research project to be completely honest.

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Von Neumann was very smart, but I think he had poor judgement when it comes to politics. Perhaps not. I don't know tbh! When I learned about his political views many years ago it actually deeply changed strongly held opinions that I had about America. He was so smart, and I want so badly to follow in his footsteps, that I said to myself "If Von Neumann believed that only America can save the world from fascism, it is…

Perhaps base your reasoning on first principles instead of the von Neumann who is in your head.

Well said. I do, fwiw. Im not the kind of person who makes arguments by reference to authority often, I found his political views repulsive and confusing when I first learned about them. Its been a long journey but I believe there is a strong possibility he simply was wrong about many of the beliefs he held about politics and the course of the future of human history.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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> In 1945, von Neumann proposed a description for a computer architecture now known as the von Neumann architecture, Do note that he proposed a description but it wasn't his idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the... > some on the EDVAC design team contended that the stored-program concept had evolved out of meetings at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering…

Aha — Stigler's law strikes again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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I've taken a medication that occasionally makes me feel stupid. For a day I might be unable to continue reading a book without re-reading each sentence a few times. I might not be able to talk to people about a complicated or technical subject without stumbling over my words. I will find it difficult to think in the abstract terms, and when I listen to others who talk about abstract values and concepts I have to cont…

The sad reality is that cognitive decline over age is more likely than not. I have prebuilt a set of habits that I hope will serve me for when I need to rely on them to get me through the day.

Interesting. What kind of habits?

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Elon Musk will be this generations' Edison. Some current nobody in ML or AI research will be the Turing of our time. They're here, we just don't know it yet.

>Elon Musk will be this generations' Edison. I hope you mean this in the literal sense, in that they are both people who have taken the scientific contributions of others for their own businesses, and somehow get the credit for work they never did.

Yes, I would have said Tesla if he was the Tesla of our generation. I'm not an Edison fan, but I appreciate the work he did for society.

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"Von Neumann would carry on a conversation with my 3-year-old son, and the two of them would talk as equals, and I sometimes wondered if he used the same principle when he talked to the rest of us." - Edward Teller See [0] for a demonstration. I watched a documentary from the 80ies a long time ago. A mathematician (can't remember his name) who worked with von Neumann in Los Alamanos was interviewed. He described von…

Here is that exact documentary you were thinking of [0]. It's really a fantastic documentary on the incredible feats of von Neumann and worth a watch by everyone here. That person you quoted was Edward Teller and the interview can be found at 54:58 [1]. I read somewhere that the young boy asking von Neumann a question at 6:13 [2] is actually Bill Clinton. Can anyone verify this? [0] https://youtu.be/Y2jiQXI6nrE [1] h…

>I read somewhere that the young boy asking von Neumann a question at 6:13 [2] is actually Bill Clinton. Can anyone verify this?

The top comment poster on the other video says it's his father, Bill Walters.

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