Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

newsweek.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–67 of 67 posts

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#61

Post by NotSammyHagar »

themaninthedark wrote: post #30
ZenModeRy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a Bloomberg survey of 5,000 model 3 owners, 98% say they would buy it again and the vehicle had surpassed their expectations. 99% percent of respondents said they would recommend the Model 3 to their family or friends. I live in Puerto Rico where a Tesla doesn't make much sense due to the infrastructure, but these numbers still made my neck hurt with a little bit with FOMO.

I am glad there are people who buy the Tesla and like it. I was very excited when they were first announced and was heavily considering the Model 3 as an option before it was released. Then I started reading about the features; touch screen controls, OTA updates, telemetry. None of those things are features to me, they are detriments. Touch screen means that I have to context switch when adjusting temp. OTA updates m…

If you disallow remote telemetry (which is an option), I wonder what it would do. You should try one for a weekend. They are a fantastic car. Tesla is very careful and successful with their software updates. You can just refuse to update them (in my 7 years of owning now two of them, I've never had a problem with updates). There have been 2 or 3 updates that were required because they were safety issues (they changed the way the s adjusts the height of the car at high speed to be more conservative in one of them). Tesla software is not like the shit software you'd expect in legacy car companies.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#62

Post by NotSammyHagar »

marcosdumay wrote: post #35
ZenModeRy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a Bloomberg survey of 5,000 model 3 owners, 98% say they would buy it again and the vehicle had surpassed their expectations. 99% percent of respondents said they would recommend the Model 3 to their family or friends. I live in Puerto Rico where a Tesla doesn't make much sense due to the infrastructure, but these numbers still made my neck hurt with a little bit with FOMO.

The Model 3 has not existed for long enough for those statistics to make any sense. It's very easy for somebody to love a new car.

People say about the same for the S, and they came out in 2012.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#63

Post by beatgammit »

semiotagonal wrote: post #13

> But Kennedy's biggest concern at the moment is in the area of automotive safety No doubt. I was pricing out a Mercedes online, and looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. An expensive car shouldn't be acting like an Android phone. It shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. If it's updating anything other than the enterta…

If they're going to provide software updates, make it a manual process, like updating the BIOS on a motherboard (not while it's running, need physical access, password protected), with package integrity checks like most Linux distributions have.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#64

Post by Havoc »

LinuxBender wrote: post #46
Havoc wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Get the internet out of my car, I already have a phone for that. Think you have a future of cycling ahead of you. I'd be surprised if overair updates aren't standard in <3 years on all cars.

Or older vehicles. Going forward I am not buying anything made after 1970's. And that is fine, because I find them much easier to work on. Pre-smog is also a bonus, for me anyway.

>Or older vehicles.

Even that is problematic. Insurance, congestion charge etc

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#65

Post by LinuxBender »

Havoc wrote: post #64
LinuxBender wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or older vehicles. Going forward I am not buying anything made after 1970's. And that is fine, because I find them much easier to work on. Pre-smog is also a bonus, for me anyway.

>Or older vehicles. Even that is problematic. Insurance, congestion charge etc

I've not experienced that. With older vehicles, the only price difference I saw was related to the lack of ABS and air bags.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#66

Post by Havoc »

LinuxBender wrote: post #65
Havoc wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Or older vehicles. Even that is problematic. Insurance, congestion charge etc

I've not experienced that. With older vehicles, the only price difference I saw was related to the lack of ABS and air bags.

Depends on the city. In some - mainly EU - places old cars are a killer. Everything is set up to strongly discourage use of old cars. e.g. Cars going for peanuts? That's cause it costs a fortune to safely dispose of it as required by law (i.e. recycle). Easily solution is to sell it.

See also Norway's rules about electric cars. That sky high adoption is a direct result of weapons grade carrot & stick to force it

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

#67

Post by cevn »

rootusrootus wrote: post #39
cevn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that there are bugs in software updates. However my car has gotten 5% faster twice from 2 separate software updates. Never had this experience in another car and it's truly fantastic.

Let's be fair. The most recent release has also caused a few people to have near misses as their car goes in a direction opposite to what they intended. Frequent software updates comes with risks.

Yeah of course. As I understand it we all checked boxes basically agreeing to be on the bleeding edge of software updates so that issues like this can be identified fixed before general rollout. Yes it's crazy.
Post reply on HN