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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by magduf »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #716
magduf wrote: post #715

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Huh? How so? I'm pretty sure I'm not in any.

All sexes are protected classes. All races are protected classes. All national origins are protected classes. etc.

Except when you're in the majority, being white and male and a US citizen (in the US) isn't something you ever get discriminated against for. So this "protection" you talk about is pretty useless; if someone wants to discriminate against someone like me, they find some other convenient factor that isn't protected.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by sdegutis »

jascii wrote: post #259
rationalfaith wrote: post #246

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I see pro-porn lobby is strong here. For other readers, website is backed up by reddit.com/r/nofap which has 500k+ users who are quitting or quit porn. Countless testimonies. Same website has 75+ peer reviewed research papers: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl... You may be paid to lobby for porn, but it only takes truth to undo your lies.

Ah, the first thing that comes to mind when someone disagrees with you is accusing them of being a paid shill..

Answer his points, rather than attacking. That is, if you have a valid answer.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by Dylan16807 »

magduf wrote: post #721
Dylan16807 wrote: post #716

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All sexes are protected classes. All races are protected classes. All national origins are protected classes. etc.

Except when you're in the majority, being white and male and a US citizen (in the US) isn't something you ever get discriminated against for. So this "protection" you talk about is pretty useless; if someone wants to discriminate against someone like me, they find some other convenient factor that isn't protected.

They're also likely to do that if you're in the minority.

The problem is the effectiveness of the rules, not that they don't cover everyone.

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Post by justinclift »

hedora wrote: post #688
justinclift wrote: post #671

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Maybe it's time for an update to Hanlon's razor? ;) Never attribute to incompetence that which can be adequately explained by corruption.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. -Upton Sinclair

Yeah, similar. ;)

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by chc »

tluyben2 wrote: post #528
IAmGraydon wrote: post #420

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Checking accounts or merchant accounts? Most banks shy away from processing credit cards for adult sites because the chargeback rate is sky high and it therefore presents elevated risk. It has nothing to do with discrimination.

Or just fix that system; here (EU) it is not all that easy to chargeback (and impossible in many cases) because payments are secured; if you yell fraud, they will start an investigation (mostly automated); if the IP you paid from was around your house, you filled in correct info, you did 3dsecure (which is used on all my cards now; I had a few that did not have it and they got frauded, but a simple check showed it co…

The EU system is fine with fraud as long as the fraud involved tricking you into approving a charge? That doesn't seem right. So I could sell Rolexes for $50 and nobody could get their $50 back when I send them a toy watch from the Wal-Mart checkout line?

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Post by Zak »

paulddraper wrote: post #510
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

PayPal has also deplatformed gun dealers. No firearms, firearm parts, or ammunition. [1] [1] https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/What-is-PayPal%E...

This is relevant to the argument that Paypal is not merely responding to financial risks, but using its platform to impose its worldview. Guns are highly regulated in the US. Someone violating those regulations in the context on an online business is usually guilty of a felony, and has a high probability of being prosecuted. To my knowledge, guns don't have a high rate of chargebacks, as they involve a papertrail with an in-person pickup requiring government-issued ID and a background check.

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Post by salawat »

merpnderp wrote: post #657
pluma wrote: post #618

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Just like how most public healthcare proposals in the US while technically raising taxes would end up leaving the individual with a much lower financial burden because of the ridiculous amounts of money Americans pay for healthcare and medication.

This belief that the US is capable of implementing a socialized system in an affordable manner seems kind of fanaticism given the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary.

Keep in mind the United States only fails so spectacularly at socialized system implementation because the power of the socialized service to negotiate is defanged to prop up the excesses of the private sector.

Let the government flex its muscles without artificial constraint, and watch how fast the market has to rein itself in to remain competitive.

The reason Medicare is loathed, is because Medicare has a mandate to not excessively spend, and it's pricing is actually determined by people with the public interest in mind first and foremost, as well as having its pricing accessible as a matter of public record instead of being hidden away in a locked filing cabinet somewhere.

The combination of those two factors are a powerful tool for shaping an industry away from "make as much money as possible while providing a service" to "provide as much service as possible while the money holds out".

It is a subtle, yet important difference.

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Post by jkaplowitz »

dragonwriter wrote: post #413
jkaplowitz wrote: post #391

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Pornhub is Canadian, not American (their HQ is Montreal). Of course PayPal is American and Pornhub has plenty of dealings with the US, so your point stands.

> Pornhub is Canadian, not American (their HQ is Montreal). That doesn't necessarily make them, or their principals, immune to US civil or criminal sanctions.

I know, I said as much in my last sentence. I just meant it was less impactful on them than it is on PayPal. There is still some impact of course.

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Post by turk73 »

Bombthecat wrote: post #513
bcheung wrote: post #247

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I've had several friends in the adult industry have their checking accounts closed at a several major banks as well. Traditional banking should definitely not be discriminating against fully legal activities.

Forbidden in germany. There is literally a law, which basically says: everyone needs to have and is allowed to have a banking account.

We didn't use to need a law until leftists started using these techniques against people they don't like. Meanwhile, these same hypocrites complain about their vaunted "muh marijuana" getting de-banked or un-banked or whatever non-entit-ification happens.

Meanwhile, I am pissed when a JP Morgan says a gun shop can't have a bank account because they don't approve of the gun industry even though gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected. This is akin to saying JP Morgan doesn't want us to vote or have due process.

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Post by turk73 »

vkou wrote: post #690
merpnderp wrote: post #657

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This belief that the US is capable of implementing a socialized system in an affordable manner seems kind of fanaticism given the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary.

Whereas the belief that the US is capable of implementing a non-socialized system in an affordable manner is so hilariously contrary to the evidence, that it makes faith in Santa Claus seem well-grounded.

I feel the same way about the socialized version, honestly. I work in big healthcare. There's no way the government is going to pull this off. No way. We might better let it collapse than to suffer a doubling of our Federal income tax, because that is what is on the table there. And that money won't go into providing better healthcare, it will instead go to bailing out the $200 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. It won't work out the way you think, they are already several steps ahead of the people on the way they intend to spend the added largesse and it's not on us.
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