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Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by burgerbrain »

nickpinkston wrote: post #69
burgerbrain wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding of it (and wikipedia seems to back me up) is that the term 'clip' when used properly refers to the device used to assist in loading a magazine. For example, you use a clip to load ammunition into the (internal) magazine of an M1, and you could use a clip to load ammunition into a "banana clip", which actually refers to a style of magazine.

You're referring to "stripper clips" that were invented before guns had removable springed magazines. Those are a type of clip (and lead to the term), however the slang term clip doesn't refer to pistol magazines - it's merely slang for a magazine. It's a common misconception and what I was responding to. In fact, the internal pistol magazine of a C96 pistol is still a magazine, but it loaded by a stripper clip, and…

I'm refering to the wikipedia article on ammunition clips in general: "A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process of loading and reloading the firearm as several rounds can be loaded at once, rather than one round being loaded at a time."

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Clip_%28ammun...

Using the term "clip" to mean "magazine" is both slang, and incorrect.

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by Pinckney »

GeZe wrote: post #68
nickpinkston wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the words are interchangeable. You've heard of "Banana Clip" I'm sure. Clip is just slang for magazines, but the short word is for some reason associated with small magazines. The manuals all call them magazines - rifles or pistols.

No, they are not interchangeable, and no, they do not mean the same thing. Some nice illustrations I found: http://i.min.us/ie52d2.jpg http://i.min.us/icklUo.jpg To any firearms enthusiast, hearing clip and magazine being confused is like hearing nails on a chalk board. Imagine someone at your work insisting that Java and Javascript are the same language.

"Imagine someone at your work insisting that Java and Javascript are the same language."

This is a rather poor analogy. Someone confusing Java and Javascript might believe they can paste their Javascript code into a Java program and have it work. Nothing of this nature will result from confusing clips and magazines. A shooter isn't going to expect to be able to use their Mosin-Nagant clips with their PSL, any more than they would expect for the PSL magazines to be valid replacements for their Winchester 1895 magazines.

It is incorrect, but it's not all that bad. 95% of the time, it is clear from context; the remaining cases primarily concern weapons with a fixed magazine, for which the user probably does know the difference.

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by btipling »

ErrantX wrote: post #10

The title randomly reminded me of the AK-47 quote from Lord of War (an actually decent Cage film, and definitely a good bit of monologue): Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation o…

This is somewhat related:

http://i.imgur.com/Tz0m3.png

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by nickpinkston »

GeZe wrote: post #68
nickpinkston wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the words are interchangeable. You've heard of "Banana Clip" I'm sure. Clip is just slang for magazines, but the short word is for some reason associated with small magazines. The manuals all call them magazines - rifles or pistols.

No, they are not interchangeable, and no, they do not mean the same thing. Some nice illustrations I found: http://i.min.us/ie52d2.jpg http://i.min.us/icklUo.jpg To any firearms enthusiast, hearing clip and magazine being confused is like hearing nails on a chalk board. Imagine someone at your work insisting that Java and Javascript are the same language.

No true Scotsman... Really - this is a matter of taste (what slang you prefer). As a former arms dealer / in a family of government weapons contractors and servicemen, we all use "clip" as slang.

It's like everyone calling car wheels "rims"

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by nickpinkston »

burgerbrain wrote: post #71
nickpinkston wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're referring to "stripper clips" that were invented before guns had removable springed magazines. Those are a type of clip (and lead to the term), however the slang term clip doesn't refer to pistol magazines - it's merely slang for a magazine. It's a common misconception and what I was responding to. In fact, the internal pistol magazine of a C96 pistol is still a magazine, but it loaded by a stripper clip, and…

I'm refering to the wikipedia article on ammunition clips in general: "A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process of loading and reloading the firearm as several rounds can be loaded at once, rather than one round being loaded at a time." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/…

All I'm saying is "clip" doesn't mean "magazine for a pistol" - which is the misconception. Clip, as used commonly in slang, is for any magazine. Rarely would one refer to stripper clips as just "clips" - usually it's "stripper" or "strip" to avoid confusion.

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by mono »

The total number of the AK-type rifles made worldwide during the last 50 years is estimated at 90+ millions. Does the title implies that Redis will handle this amount of values too?

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by grinich »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #67
ErrantX wrote: post #10

The title randomly reminded me of the AK-47 quote from Lord of War (an actually decent Cage film, and definitely a good bit of monologue): Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation o…

The largest chunk of export from Russia is oil and gas, not weapons.

Hollywood doesn't really care.

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by ZoFreX »

iujyhgftrgh wrote: post #49
zeteo wrote: post #35

"According to AK-47 legend, assault rifles were not popular because of their tendency to consume large amounts of ammo. The Soviets embraced the idea and simply supplied their troops with more ammo. Kinda like Redis and RAM." That's obviously just a legend. This debate was actually carried out in the 2nd half of the 19th century, starting with the Civil War. (Many repeating rifle designs were offered to the Union. Qu…

The British army only just relented - the new SA80 is the first fully automatic rifle to be standard issue.

The LSW variant has always been fully auto and is 25 years old, and the L85 is to this day semi-automatic and is the main rifle in use in the British army. I don't see how they've "only just relented". Full auto isn't that useful anyway! The ability to empty your magazine in a second comes in handy less often than you'd think.

In fact the US Army's M16 was changed from automatic to semi-automatic, so it seems there is a movement in the other direction.

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by GeZe »

nickpinkston wrote: post #74
GeZe wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are not interchangeable, and no, they do not mean the same thing. Some nice illustrations I found: http://i.min.us/ie52d2.jpg http://i.min.us/icklUo.jpg To any firearms enthusiast, hearing clip and magazine being confused is like hearing nails on a chalk board. Imagine someone at your work insisting that Java and Javascript are the same language.

No true Scotsman... Really - this is a matter of taste (what slang you prefer). As a former arms dealer / in a family of government weapons contractors and servicemen, we all use "clip" as slang. It's like everyone calling car wheels "rims"

Really? I am in the Canadian Forces infantry, and if anyone ever used the term "clip" in reference to a magazine, and was actually serious, I'm pretty sure they would get beat up. May I ask what country you are affiliated with and in what branch of the military those servicemen are? It is interesting to see such a basic difference in terminology.

Re: Redis: the AK-47 of databases

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Post by nickpinkston »

GeZe wrote: post #79
nickpinkston wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No true Scotsman... Really - this is a matter of taste (what slang you prefer). As a former arms dealer / in a family of government weapons contractors and servicemen, we all use "clip" as slang. It's like everyone calling car wheels "rims"

Really? I am in the Canadian Forces infantry, and if anyone ever used the term "clip" in reference to a magazine, and was actually serious, I'm pretty sure they would get beat up. May I ask what country you are affiliated with and in what branch of the military those servicemen are? It is interesting to see such a basic difference in terminology.

USAF and small weapons / ammo manufactures. You're right - military nomenclature (US) uses very precise (and verbose) terminology: "magazine" is always used strictly. Though the words "gun" and "rifle" are dropped in favor of "weapon" in some cases. What I find is that the longer you're out, the more the language becomes civilian - unless you're a hardcore / die-hard kind of person.
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