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Post by jandrese »

mirekrusin wrote: post #531
jandrese wrote: post #115

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On the plus side, it's not like they can just grab money out of your wallet with Crypto. You have to initiate the transfer. No "typos" when running your card. No double charges. It actually seems like a valid use case for crypto. Downside is the high fees and/or long waits for the coins to clear.

Cryptocurrency exchanges seem to be solving those problems. They transact between participants in thousands per second. Bybit has no fees on deposits/withdrawals (withdrawals can be batched to avoid network fees); but network fees are not a disaster - currently network fees are: a) in 1 block 0.27 USD/tx; b) in 6 blocks 0.10 USD/tx.

The fundamental problem with those exchanges is that they are sitting on your wallet. So now you're back to all of the problems with traditional banks. If someone wants to double-charge then it's up to the exchange to prevent it, the blockchain itself doesn't come into play. Worse, a great many exchanges in the past (almost all thus far) have proven to be fraudulent, incompetent, or both.

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Post by jstarfish »

MisterTea wrote: post #638
alias_neo wrote: post #541

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I've been with my bank for 15+ years. One time I sent a payment of several hundred £s to a friend who's paid my share of a holiday when booking. In the description I put "fun times". I had a call from my bank asking me to explain the payment the next day. I've never been called before nor since that. It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references.

> In the description I put "fun times". I recently started using Venmo to pay a few people and the things I have wrote are awful. Recent examples include: "Human organ trafficking" "Lunch and murder for hire", "sack of shrunken heads" and so on. Let them call me.

Vice did a writeup where a reporter did this just to see what happened and it ended with the associated funds effectively seized.

Maybe they've gotten more permissive but don't do this with money you can't afford to lose.

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Post by raxxorrax »

vorpalhex wrote: post #681
raxxorrax wrote: post #658

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Printable cash for internet transaction would be nice... Honestly, the behavior of paypal is abysmal and I wish there to be a real alternative. I despise credit cards and would like to have more options. I doubt I will ever pay anything for porn, but there are a lot of content creators that can only receive money via paypal/credit card. I do actually think a government should have some control over its currency, but…

> I doubt I will ever pay anything for porn, but there are a lot of content creators that can only receive money via paypal/credit card. A lot of porn models are becoming the content creators now. The line between your favorite adult actor and your favorite youtuber is growing thinner every day. Which makes us wonder if one near day we'll see amateur adult content with sponsored products "... brought to you by Questi…

They certainly are content creators. Not really a fan of porn streams though. Prostitution is legal in my country but I wouldn't want to visit one. It is a large industry but it isn't ubiquitous because of legality.

So porn models would probably be a thing even if all payment providers stopped their service for porn. It would just be completely counter productive since this form of sex work is probably as safe as it can be. And any life style decision shouldn't be dependent on payment processors.

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Post by Zak »

pdpi wrote: post #700
toyg wrote: post #684

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This is the rationalisation of a legal kludge that is only necessary to assuage consciences that the state has not become "immoral". The facts on the ground are that, dissuasion or not, these economies will never go away ("oldest profession", after all). Full legalisation would allow for complete oversight of such murky sectors, which would ensure everyone's safety better than the current arrangements, at all levels.…

I agree that prostitution should be legalised and regulated to make it safer for everybody involved (because I too don't think it'll ever go away). Cannabis? Probably — I don't know that it's that much worse than tobacco. Full-on legalisation is not universally desirable, though — there's always heroine, cocaine, crack, meth... — and the asymmetric legality thing is still a very useful tool in those circumstances.

I would argue, from a pure cost-benefit perspective that full legalization of drugs is desirable unless someone has another credible plan for eliminating the black market without unacceptable consequences (e.g. a police state).

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Post by magduf »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #573
raxxorrax wrote: post #557

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Definitely a gigantic failure. Why not offer protection for everyone and treat them the same? Praise your literacy all you want, doesn't matter if the performance and strategies of political representatives are abysmal. And the concept of treating people equally seems to be beyond comprehension.

> Why not offer protection for everyone That is how protected classes are defined. Everyone is in multiple protected classes.

Huh? How so? I'm pretty sure I'm not in any.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

magduf wrote: post #715
Dylan16807 wrote: post #573

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> Why not offer protection for everyone That is how protected classes are defined. Everyone is in multiple protected classes.

Huh? How so? I'm pretty sure I'm not in any.

All sexes are protected classes. All races are protected classes. All national origins are protected classes. etc.

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Post by magduf »

oneplane wrote: post #422
james_s_tayler wrote: post #353

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Banks form an important part of it as KYC is designed to cut down on Money Laundering. Globally KYC/AML rules have gotten much stricter in recent years. If criminals can't access their money it ought to curb some of the incentives.

That idea behind the rules mostly just annoys legitimate users and only curbs an insignificant amount of criminal activity because alternatives exist (and have always existed). It's somewhat like piracy warnings on digital media; piracy will ignore it but people that consume the content legally still have to sit through the nonsense.

>It's somewhat like piracy warnings on digital media; [pirates] will ignore it but people that consume the content legally still have to sit through the nonsense.

Not quite correct: the pirates actually have or enjoy a superior product; they don't have to "ignore" anything. The legal product has annoying anti-piracy warnings that legal purchasers are forced to sit through, while the pirated versions don't have these warnings at all, so the people who use these versions enjoy a better viewing experience.

On top of that, the format is superior. Legal viewers are restricted to DVDs (very low quality), Blu-Rays (high-quality, but inconvenient and bulky physical format), or streaming (varying quality, subject to problems due to transmission path), while pirates get to have a simple digital file on their computer which is whatever quality they want (i.e. they can choose to download a lower or higher-resolution/bitrate version) which is now local so it can't be suddenly restricted by studio executives who want to make it exclusively available on their streaming service, and it won't be unavailable because your internet connection is slow or down.

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Post by 1000units »

viraptor wrote: post #156
1000units wrote: post #151

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I've not provided my moral stance. Engage with what I actually said. For example, you might claim you are personally acquainted with porn actresses who lead healthy and productive lives. Or you might cite research showing they are less likely to abuse elicit recreational drugs, pursue psychiatric intervention, have histories of traumatic abuse, or commit suicide. Or you might discuss the various motivations that migh…

You've not provided anything - that's the problem. You posted an assertion and not backed it with anything substantial. Try to start with that.

For the public record, I have still not received an email from this gentleman. He doesn't believe what he says, folks. We have found ourselves an ideological liar.

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Post by magduf »

Bartweiss wrote: post #699
baroffoos wrote: post #400

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Thats a really good counter point and I can't think of any way the situations are different other than my morals saying working for pornhub is ok but trashing the planet is not. Of course thats totally subjective and someone could be of the opinion that working for pornhub is not ok.

I think there is a distinction as far as the nature of the boycott, though it's not a clear line. Declining to buy from or work for a company is pretty much always justifiable. Refusing to provide customer-specific services/work (a rental crane, management consulting, etc.) is a more impactful move, but it's still basically a refusal to engage with the target, either by providing a limited resource or by being enabli…

>but it becomes more vividly alarming if we imagine denying electricity or highway access to an unpopular business. This is why even as Cloudflare decided to shut down Stormfront, they publicly worried that it was a dangerous path to go down.

I can understand their worry, but I think they did the right thing. If I owned a hosting service, I wouldn't provide services to people like that either. I don't want to be known as "the hosting company for neo-Nazis".

If a service is so important that no one should be denied it, no matter how repulsive they are, then I think it's government's job to ensure those people receive that service. No one can really deny highway access to unpopular businesses; highways are owned and operated by the government. Electricity is a little different, because it's usually privately-owned but heavily regulated because it's a local monopoly in many places, so I imagine most regulations would forbid them from supplying power to unpopular customers. Internet hosting service, however, is not government-owned, nor a utility or monopoly in any way. There's countless providers all over the planet. Or you can just set up your own; you don't really have to host your website on a hosting service. People used to run their own webservers all the time. Physical internet access (your neighborhood ISP), however, is much more akin to the electric utility.

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Post by magduf »

StreamBright wrote: post #544
nintendo1889 wrote: post #418

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Think about refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals. How is this any different?

A company cannot really have a religious believe.

This is just plain wrong. Look at all the religion-run hospitals in America, and how they use religious values to affect their patient care and which services they do and don't allow. This has been affirmed by the court system even.

I personally don't like it one bit; people should be getting medical services based on the latest medical science, not based on some millennia-old book of fables, but unfortunately that's the law and the situation currently. And you can't just say "go to a different hospital", because in a lot of rural or small-city areas, these religious hospitals are the only providers around, so they have a local monopoly.

As another counterpoint, just look at Chik-Fil-A. That's absolutely a religious company, and they're quite proud of it. I don't like it either, so I don't eat there (then again, I avoid fast food anyway), but countless Americans are either OK with it, or really like it.

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