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AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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Given caller ID spoofing, they really shouldn't even accept calls from numbers they do recognize... especially with tech like this. Let it go to voice mail then return the call afterwards.

So what's the end game there - using voicemail as a poor man's texting?

Loss of trust in PSTN, generally. I'd suggested this a few days ago in a similar discussion, bolstered by a recently-discovered quote from an industry engineer:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21494300

[S]ince mid-2015, a consortium of engineers from phone carriers and others in the telecom industry have worked on a way to [stop call-spoofing], worried that spam phone calls could eventually endanger the whole system. “We’re getting to the point where nobody trusts the phone network,” says Jim McEachern, principal technologist at the Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions (ATIS.) “When they stop trusting the phone network, they stop using it.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/05/how-to-stop-spam-rob...

At the point at which individuals and businesses in sufficient numbers find the downsides of participating in the PSTN exceed the benefits, they'll start defecting to other systems. Likely small and closed networks initially.

It took decades for the telephone to become established as the principle means of business communication, and as it was, numerous other alternatives existed in parallel: postal mail, telegraph, telex (for what we'd now call b2b communications), fax, and early email systems.

Email seems to be dying along with telephony, and for much the same reasons.

It's occurred to me that much the value in social networks is in trying to corner a sufficiently large directory (that is, user base) to be able to credibly take on telephony. What seems to happen is that as these networks grow in size, they too fall prey to the hygiene factors already affecting telephone and email comms: spam and annoyance messages, with concommitant trust issues in the network as a whole.

Whether a technical solution to the trust and identity problem can emerge (and preserve privacy and protect against the surveillance state, surveillance capitalism, and surveillance by other actors (organised crime, racist or facist oppressors, stalkers, etc), remains to be seen. I'm starting to think that's a hard, possibly an impossible, problem. An essay of Herbert Simon's I've recently turned up is exceptionally discouraging owing to a critical error Simon made in it (claiming Nazi Germany committed it atrocities without the benefit of mechanical data processing -- it in fact had ample assistance willingly provided by IBM).

More generally, I'm suspecting that progress in information technology and communications capabilities reduce trust relationships, with some fairly strong historical evidence.

(Overall risks may be reduced, but the mechanisms by which this occurs replaces actual trust with validation, verification, and surveillance mechanisms).

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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I told my wife that if I ever mention while on a phone call, she should know that I am in trouble an unable to speak freely. Sound like we'll all need more things like this eventually :(

It would make sense to have another word that indicates it is genuinely you and you are genuinely speaking freely.

If that's the default situation (a likely scenario for most people), you'd need something other than a single code word.

In practice, most people can conduct a reasonable verification through a series of challenge/response interactions based on shared knowledge, should they need to do so. Mentioning something done, said, or shared in private recently would suffice in many instances.

For more robust tradecraft, should you need it, a set of one-time codes (passwords or passphrases) might substitute.

When the former head of InterPol was arrested in China, he managed to alert his wife through the use of a duress signal, an image of a knife:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wife-missing-interpol-pre...

Not subtle, but effective.

Spoiler:

In the film Capricorn One (1978), one of the astronauts alerted his wife by referring to a holiday they'd recently taken together, by mis-stating the destination as Disneyland, rather than Hollywood -- the land of make believe -- as it had actually been, which led to the revealing of the hoax mission.

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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I heard that too; being a Brit (and working in languages) probably helps. It did pick it up occasionally though, which gives hope that increased sampling and training could fix the slight miss there. It was that and the Swedish-accented English ("Sentence in Different Voices" section, middle recording) made it struggle. No traces of the Scandi-lilt were left in the synth version. Final note would be the French speake…

I can't hear any hint of an English accent in the French-language recordings, they just sound like regular Québec French to me. However, I'm not convinced at all by these voice transfers across language. I can imagine the second Chinese one being the same speaker in both languages, but not the three others.

That's no Quebecois I've ever heard. Sounds like a Brit who picked it up as a second language in the home or soon after.

Even struggles to finish the sentence due to the effort of reading in the 2nd to last one. Struggles with an extremely common word, 'grand', as well as stumbling over a simple sentence. To be fair, he has heard enough French (i.e. lived and studied there most likely) to get the intonations mostly right but there are a few other giveaways too... it's just not natural or native from where I'm sitting.

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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I once got a call while I was lecturing some students. It was repeated three times in three minutes - I assumed it was an emergency and stepped out. I was greeted by someone explaining that my father had caused a car accident, and they were calling on his behalf. That someone would need to send over some money for repairs or they’d call the police. Sure. They added that their cousin, the driver, is a parolee now hold…

First off, Awesome story. I have a friend who had something similar happen, he got a frantic call from his grandmother who learned via a scam call that he was in jail across the country and needed bail money. This was a few years ago, so they couldn't have used a duplicate of his voice, but possible they were relying on imperfect memory. Sweeping generalization, but elderly are and would likely prime targets of this…

I received a call with a human on the other end. When I said hello, the person said in a friendly tone "Grandpa!" And tried to start talking to me.

That strategy probably works some percentage of the time.

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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post #247

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POTS is pretty much dead almost everywhere in the USA, most are VOiP these days. They are not replacing the copper wire.

Isn't that a bit pedantic? Perhaps Im conflating PTSN and POTS. The fact that you have publicly addressable phone number is the important part.

What is pedantic? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_old_telephone_service

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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post #311

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how do you pronounce the symbols? i mean, 'redacted' is already a pretty strange thing to say by itself.

You just make static noises, like a radio signal being lost. Also, you are lacking in the abstract thought department. Get that fixed, for your own benefit.

I'd bet jiveturkey was joking.

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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I once got a call while I was lecturing some students. It was repeated three times in three minutes - I assumed it was an emergency and stepped out. I was greeted by someone explaining that my father had caused a car accident, and they were calling on his behalf. That someone would need to send over some money for repairs or they’d call the police. Sure. They added that their cousin, the driver, is a parolee now hold…

I know someone that had a fling abroad and their fling began asking for money for treatment over facebook The American assumed it was a scam and the person did die I have often found that truth is stranger than fiction, and people are too conditioned for fiction that they can’t perceive truth

Wait, what? Did you miss a word or a sentence? What is "treatment" and how did this escalate to death? Was it a medical treatment and they were ill and surcumbed to the illness?

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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This idea crops up in a few of his novels and stories, but I think it’s most fleshed-out in Ubik, yeah.

Under the hood they are all about religious Gnosticism and the physical universe as a false facade to the "true" universe. VALIS is a pretty good explication as well as a really good book; if you are into mental illness+theology, only then is his Exegesis a good read

Very belatedly, yes, VALIS is strange and wonderful.

This is making me want to re-read some PKD!

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