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The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

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Re: The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having been raised Mormon, it ain't surprising in the slightest that so many of these are concentrated in and around Utah/Idaho. There are a multitude of factors at play here: - Like you mentioned, door-to-door proselytism translates well to door-to-door sales. - Mormon communities tend to be very tight-knit and immediately trusting of fellow Mormons, so once you have a critical mass of LDS followers selling your "in…

> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints actively discourages any sort of rational individual thought As an active member, I can say that this comment is untrue. The Church actively encourages education. A simple example is the amount of money it pours into the BYU education system. There is a big emphasis on acquiring knowledge and wisdom. I actually think that the first two factors are more important and m…

The church does emphasize (careful) secular education. But I think the original comment was referring more to doctrinal education, which the church actively discourages. Also, if doctrinal education ever conflicts with secular education, then doctrine trumps everything.

The example of the money the church pumps into BYU does more to hurt your counter-argument than to help it. The church pumps so much money into BYU so that it can provide formal education to its members, while controlling the education experience. The purpose of BYU is exactly to further the controlled church experience and controlled education of the world.

In fact, the Church is incredibly smart in how they operate. The most personal interaction you have with the church is between the ages of 18 - 25. These are the most malleable ages for a young adult, since this is the time that they naturally seek direction and purpose in their life. The church is top of mind for members during this time, and so the church has created a system where they can control these important years to mold future faithful followers and spread the religion.

The day you turn 18 they start "preparing you for a mission". Then they send you to the temple where you are told that you have now entered into covenants that, if broken, will now fuck you up for eternity. With the fear of your eternal salvation in the balance, they then send you off for 2 years to a church obedience boot camp (usually referred to by the euphemism of "a mission") where they literally control everything you say, think, or do for 2 full years. They pull you away from the environment you once knew, even frequently to another country. They control who you associate during these years, and try to build habits towards being a good future member. As soon as you graduate from the 2 year boot camp, they promise a sex-deprived 21 year old that they can now get laid by going to BYU and finding a beautiful mormon virgin who has been waiting for them their entire life. Then at BYU they can again control the narrative of your life. Curriculums meet national standards for accreditation here, but are also taught by other members who are committed to controlling the narrative of the Church. Now that you are married, you are encouraged to start having kids. Most BYU grads will already have kids by the time of their graduation. Once you have kids, now the emphasis is to raise them within the church. They will now begin primary school (as you once did) and continue the cycle that you just completed. By the time the church "lets go" of you during this important part of your life, you are 25 or 26 years old, already have several kids, and you don't want to ruin their lives by questioning church teachings. You final job as a 26 year old member is to "endure to the end". Quite possibly the saddest, most depressing stage of Mormonism. I hate when my Grandma tells me she is "enduring to the end". During this stage (between ~30 -> death) your goal is to "endure". Not enjoy, but endure.

During the endurance stage you are told to: go get a job so you can pay for your kids and pay your 10% of your pre-tax income as "tithing". Go to church every sunday. Take your kids to church every wednesday. Go to the temple for further doctrine reinforcement on Saturday. Don't drink coffee, tea, alcohol. Don't think impure thoughts. Just rinse and repeat. Just "endure", until you have the pleasure of dying.

BYU is very important to the Church's membership and tithing dollars. They aren't running that church from the bottom of their hearts. It all controls their members. If you remove BYU from the church's plan (as outlined above), they would lose MANY MANY members during those important ages of 18-25. They have created an effective algorithm/strategy that creates a cycle of promises and control mechanisms to keep you in the hamster wheel. BYU is critical to that strategy. That is also why BYU Idaho exists. It allowed them to broaden their net to even more young adults.

This is mostly the controlled experience that a man would experience within Mormonism. Unfortunately a woman's experience is even more depressing and controlled. But follows a similar outline.

So back to the original point. Yes, I would argue that in fact, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints actively discourages any sort of rational individual thought".

Re: The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

#102
I'm not sure what the purpose of the article is. It mentions a bunch of companies I've never heard of and has maps apparently of which states people search for their company name on Google, each year from 2008 to 2018. I suppose they are showing growth of interest in each company name. But there's not much commentary in the article. Just maps and a paragraph description of what the company is selling and a brief history.

The first on the list claims is an oil and gas company popular in Texas that somehow sells oil and gas using a multi-level marketing scheme?!? Whaaaat? The article doesn't even explain how that works or what they are really selling. Do random independent distributors buy gas tanker trucks and make deliveries to farm houses then try to recruit the farmer to sell to his neighbors? They could have tried to explain what this company is about. But instead it's just these maps and cryptic descriptions.

Another one says a MLM company sold leggings that became popular, then lowered in quality, which resulted in lawsuits. But no mention of lawsuits about what.

Not sure the article is useful or the title "epidemic" is justified. There probably is a MLM epidemic, but the article doesn't really support that. Just lists some random companies with spartan facts and some maps derived from Google search data.

Re: The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

#103
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints actively discourages any sort of rational individual thought As an active member, I can say that this comment is untrue. The Church actively encourages education. A simple example is the amount of money it pours into the BYU education system. There is a big emphasis on acquiring knowledge and wisdom. I actually think that the first two factors are more important and m…

The church does emphasize (careful) secular education. But I think the original comment was referring more to doctrinal education, which the church actively discourages. Also, if doctrinal education ever conflicts with secular education, then doctrine trumps everything. The example of the money the church pumps into BYU does more to hurt your counter-argument than to help it. The church pumps so much money into BYU s…

This echos what the Islamic state does with it's youth also. These are systems of control built to perpetuate collective egos.

Re: The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

#104
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MLMs / Pyramid Schemes and bitcoin are fundamentally different constructs.

But fundamentally the same result

Decentralized ledger technology and the notion of value are different from manipulative pyramid corporations.

Re: The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

#105

I'm a little concerned that at no point in the article does the author use the term "pyramid scheme."

This is a guess, but a pyramid scheme is illegal, and so calling 'legal' companies by the term might be considered slander. Since some of these companies live to bully through the court system, it's probably a conscious decision to avoid the term. Just a guess though.

Re: The MLM Epidemic in 13 Maps

#106
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Atlanta is a blue dot in a sea of Georgia red.

Atlanta is a big dot though. With the growth of the Atlanta metro it may eventually make Georgia a blue state in national elections, similar to how the Twin Cities with ~60% of Minnesota population make it vote democratic.

It occasionally happens that Atlanta carries Georgia, but if you look at the composition of our state-wide representation (major office holders), it doesn't historically trend blue.
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