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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by vorpalhex »

raxxorrax wrote: post #658
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Printable cash for internet transaction would be nice... Honestly, the behavior of paypal is abysmal and I wish there to be a real alternative. I despise credit cards and would like to have more options. I doubt I will ever pay anything for porn, but there are a lot of content creators that can only receive money via paypal/credit card. I do actually think a government should have some control over its currency, but…

> I doubt I will ever pay anything for porn, but there are a lot of content creators that can only receive money via paypal/credit card.

A lot of porn models are becoming the content creators now. The line between your favorite adult actor and your favorite youtuber is growing thinner every day.

Which makes us wonder if one near day we'll see amateur adult content with sponsored products "... brought to you by Questionable VPN!"

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by hedora »

Arubis wrote: post #662
VvR-Ox wrote: post #635

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+1 for this. When working in Germany I talked to citizens who told me their state is also heading that direction. More things are denationalized so private companies now have the responsibility but also the revenue (like "Autobahn" or some time ago the post). When I understand it correctly those where initially financed by public money so it seems like this investment is now being absorbed by the companies overtaking…

The flippant-yet-accurate description I've heard of this is "socialized losses, privatized profits".

I’ve heard, “public risk, private profits”.

That ends up including things like utilities, but also most of the US automotive industry, banks, etc. (It also requires the listener to have an understanding of expected value, and other basic statistics.)

“socialized losses, private profits” seems to include any government spending that benefits society, such as public ownership and funding of roads, but private shipping companies (and all the industries that rely on them) profiting from their existence.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by toyg »

pdpi wrote: post #630
toyg wrote: post #627

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Not just tax authorities, but (more importantly) police ones. The laws around things like sex work or drug consumptions, in most countries, are full of grey areas and willfully-contradictory positions (e.g. one can buy but the other can't sell, etc). So as soon as a transaction is categorised as part of a "problematic" economy, then police can get involved. If your bank lets through "hooker money" unchallenged, the p…

> willfully-contradictory positions (e.g. one can buy but the other can't sell, etc). This seems weird, but is actually a perfectly reasonable legal regime that's all about power dynamics and enabling the authorities to approach people. Drug users and prostitutes are in much more vulnerable positions than drug dealers and johns respectively. If you make selling drugs a crime, but not buying/owning those same drugs, n…

This is the rationalisation of a legal kludge that is only necessary to assuage consciences that the state has not become "immoral".

The facts on the ground are that, dissuasion or not, these economies will never go away ("oldest profession", after all). Full legalisation would allow for complete oversight of such murky sectors, which would ensure everyone's safety better than the current arrangements, at all levels. For example, in many countries there is no way for prostitutes to legally ensure their own security, because any sort of professional relationship with a sex-worker is illegal (even if the business itself is not); at that point, whether they have recourse post-abuse or not, is basically irrelevant.

The legal situation around cannabis and prostitution is just a shitshow in most places, driven as it is by outdated sensibilities which have ossified through short-term political calculation. There is no point trying to find in it a logic that is simply not there.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by michannne »

And this is where Square & Patreon's toe-dipping shows it's effects. You can NEVER. N-E-V-E-R allow an organization to have that much power and then not say anything just because they are targeting groups that you happen to also be against, because in the end, they will get a taste of the power they wield, the control they have, and they will abuse it.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by hedora »

merpnderp wrote: post #656
mola wrote: post #563

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Yup, it seems US citizens pay crazy amount of hidden tax because of inefficiencies caused by fanatical anti government propaganda. This isn't only about freedom it's about keeping power in certain hands. Too bad it's being exported everywhere

Obama was the direct opposite of fantastically anti government and this deplatforming peaked under him. This isn’t about anti government sentiment, it’s about pro abuse of government sentiment to use the force of law to push your morality on others. At least unless you weirdly classify Obama as anti government. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point

Read up on corporatism. It describes the overlap of moderate Democratic and moderate Republican ideology pretty well.

It is a shortening of “corporate fascism”, and is the idea that the government exists to protect the economy, which is best done by strengthening existing power structures that power the current economic system.

Therefore the government should defer to corporations whenever possible.

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Post by chrisrhoden »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #644
Geee wrote: post #540

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It means that it has been sent to the Bitcoin network to be mined in the next block.

Could the sender simply cancel it?

No. Once a valid, signed transaction is _out there_, any miner can (and is generally incentivized to) add it to a block.

The closest thing to cancelling is making a new transaction which makes the first one invalid (e.g. by emptying the source address) and hoping the new one gets added to the block first.

Because transactions can have fees attached to them, you could presumably make it more appealing to mine the second transaction than the first, but I don't know if this is something people do, and as far as I understand it most miners prefer the first transactions they see.

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Post by hedora »

justinclift wrote: post #671
humanrebar wrote: post #647

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> ...fanatical anti government propaganda. Jim Crow, Watergate, Catholic priest abuse scandals, regulatory failure in 2008, too big to fail, gerrymandering, police involved shootings, Hurricane Katrina flooding, Keystone Pipeline leaks, ... And, yes, it happens in local markets too: taxi medallion systems, overzealous zoning, local corruption, running Amazon out of Queens, and so on. We could call skepticism fanatica…

Maybe it's time for an update to Hanlon's razor? ;) Never attribute to incompetence that which can be adequately explained by corruption.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

-Upton Sinclair

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Post by lm28469 »

Daishiman wrote: post #149
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Bitcoin isn't criticized for this being an invalid use case, because it's totally valid. It's criticized because it's useless for this use case, people involved in this scene in practice don't care about it to any serious degree beyond it being a talking point, and because anything for legally working around financial deplatforming still needs strong interfacing with the rest of the system as well as compliance with…

> Bitcoin isn't criticized for this being an invalid use case, because it's totally valid.

As in you get paid 550$, by the time it's yours it's worth $600 and the next day $250 ?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by vkou »

merpnderp wrote: post #657
pluma wrote: post #618

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Just like how most public healthcare proposals in the US while technically raising taxes would end up leaving the individual with a much lower financial burden because of the ridiculous amounts of money Americans pay for healthcare and medication.

This belief that the US is capable of implementing a socialized system in an affordable manner seems kind of fanaticism given the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary.

Whereas the belief that the US is capable of implementing a non-socialized system in an affordable manner is so hilariously contrary to the evidence, that it makes faith in Santa Claus seem well-grounded.
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