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The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Rutherford, Turing, Teller, Szilard, Wigner, Meitner... the list goes on... -- how did that time produce so many people of colossal intellect? War certainly can't be the primary factor, given that many of them were brilliant/productive even before WWI

4 on your list are Hungarian, and 3 of them went to the same high school:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasori_Gimn%C3%A1zium

Hungary had a great education system at the time.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He newer took an IQ test (or at least it isn't known) so nobody knows. Personally I think Mozart was smarter, but who knows.

And it's not like you can infer anything from an IQ test other than an IQ test result.

IQ is positively correlated with health, educational achievement, job performance, income and occupational status and negatively correlated with out of wedlock childbirth and being convicted of a crime.

Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns, American Psychological Association

http://differentialclub.wdfiles.com/local--files/definitions...

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Rutherford, Turing, Teller, Szilard, Wigner, Meitner... the list goes on... -- how did that time produce so many people of colossal intellect? War certainly can't be the primary factor, given that many of them were brilliant/productive even before WWI

I have had the same question in my mind for a long time. My preliminary answer is TV or entertainment, in those days there were much much less distraction.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Rutherford, Turing, Teller, Szilard, Wigner, Meitner... the list goes on... -- how did that time produce so many people of colossal intellect? War certainly can't be the primary factor, given that many of them were brilliant/productive even before WWI

I have had the same question in my mind for a long time. My preliminary answer is TV or entertainment, in those days there were much much less distraction.

Oh... :(

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Can anyone recommend readings on von Neumann that highlight his non-mathematical achievements? Obviously he was primarily a physicist and mathematician, but for a non-mathematician, the long list of academic publications is hard to interpret and appreciate. For example, more in the vein of these: - Reportedly, von Neumann possessed an eidetic memory, and so was able to recall complete novels and pages of the phone di…

So he has what's called Photographic Memory ?

Not really. From the wikipedia page on eidetic memory [1]:

``` Although the terms eidetic memory and photographic memory are popularly used interchangeably,[1] they are also distinguished, with eidetic memory referring to the ability to view memories like photographs for a few minutes,[3] and photographic memory referring to the ability to recall pages of text or numbers, or similar, in great detail.[4][5] When the concepts are distinguished, eidetic memory is reported to occur in a small number of children and as something generally not found in adults,[2][6] while true photographic memory has never been demonstrated to exist. ```

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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> In 1945, von Neumann proposed a description for a computer architecture now known as the von Neumann architecture,

Do note that he proposed a description but it wasn't his idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the...

> some on the EDVAC design team contended that the stored-program concept had evolved out of meetings at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering predating von Neumann's activity as a consultant there, and that much of the work represented in the First Draft was no more than a translation of the discussed concepts into the language of formal logic in which von Neumann was fluent.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Rutherford, Turing, Teller, Szilard, Wigner, Meitner... the list goes on... -- how did that time produce so many people of colossal intellect? War certainly can't be the primary factor, given that many of them were brilliant/productive even before WWI

SlateStarCodex "The Atomic Bomb Considered As Hungarian High School Science Fair Project" https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/26/the-atomic-bomb-consid...

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Rutherford, Turing, Teller, Szilard, Wigner, Meitner... the list goes on... -- how did that time produce so many people of colossal intellect? War certainly can't be the primary factor, given that many of them were brilliant/productive even before WWI

4 on your list are Hungarian, and 3 of them went to the same high school: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasori_Gimn%C3%A1zium Hungary had a great education system at the time.

Or great genes

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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> In 1945, von Neumann proposed a description for a computer architecture now known as the von Neumann architecture, Do note that he proposed a description but it wasn't his idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the... > some on the EDVAC design team contended that the stored-program concept had evolved out of meetings at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering…

Yes! It’s a pretty big controversy so far as computing goes and a very interesting read. ENIAC (ISBN 978-0802713483) is a good account that includes it.

I have to wonder what else gets washed away in all the myth-making about these guys.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote perfectly illustrates the unparalleled absurdity of contemplating nuclear warfare.

He was hardly alone if favouring a "preventative war" - Curtis LeMay was another advocate - they thought it was the rational thing to do. How someone can rationally advocate the cold blooded killing of millions is, frankly, completely beyond me.

That's because we're lucky to live in a world where the cold war stayed cold, and LeMay and von Neumann were coming from half a century of the worst slaughter the world had ever seen.
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