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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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The problem for those providers is often not their own morals per se. But the fear of being related to certain verticals. This oftentimes has a real impact on lost deals from other companies that do have a moral judgment and wont do business with you if you are related say to marijuana selling companies.

In that case, wouldn't this be a great opportunity to start a payment processor that (mainly) deals with these "fringe" verticals? What's stopping someone from creating MoralPay (or whatever) that accepts all money from adult entertainment, dispensaries, etc. From what I understand there is a huge market for processing legal monies from these types of businesses, especially dispensaries. Is it too difficult in 2019 t…

I believe that was the idea behind Hatereon

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post #575

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A jedermann Konto or Basiskonto refers only to a personal account. If a client uses this account for commercial activities (eg receiving payments in the said industry), the bank has every right to close the account.

So I can't use my personal account to receive salaries? Does the bank have to know/care about the details my profession?

Depends on what your "salary" is. In the EU, the banks are obligated to find out where you get your money. And they have an obligation to close your account if they don't get satisfactory answers. "Know your customer".

My bank has recently started to ask customers to clarify transfers, and even shoot and send some video of themselves, smiling, and explaining things. I haven't got that myself yet but several colleagues have. I'm thinking I should change banks, but am unsure if any other bank is any better, because this is the result of government regulation.

The EU laws to fight money laundering are in conflict with national laws for privacy. And because laws for money laundering impact tax revenue, they will triumph over privacy.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #575

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So I can't use my personal account to receive salaries? Does the bank have to know/care about the details my profession?

Depends on what your "salary" is. In the EU, the banks are obligated to find out where you get your money. And they have an obligation to close your account if they don't get satisfactory answers. "Know your customer". My bank has recently started to ask customers to clarify transfers, and even shoot and send some video of themselves, smiling, and explaining things. I haven't got that myself yet but several colleague…

In EU there is an anti-money laundering directive, but it’s mostly up to member countries how they’ll implement it.

As usual some countries implemented it reasonably while others didn’t.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Which further highlights how many "problems" that tech people in the US have tried to solve (transit->uber, various health care start-ups, etc) are essentially due to the failure of the US state to function properly or even focus on the right thing.

Yup, it seems US citizens pay crazy amount of hidden tax because of inefficiencies caused by fanatical anti government propaganda. This isn't only about freedom it's about keeping power in certain hands. Too bad it's being exported everywhere

I suspect there's also a healthy dose of not less fanatical social Darwinism thrown in there.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #575

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A jedermann Konto or Basiskonto refers only to a personal account. If a client uses this account for commercial activities (eg receiving payments in the said industry), the bank has every right to close the account.

So I can't use my personal account to receive salaries? Does the bank have to know/care about the details my profession?

yes. they will close your account if you receive money from dubious activities (sex and drugs usually).

they will also close your account if you can't prove where the money is from.

i had this issue myself in europe. a friend paid me back a hefty sum. my friend had issues proving where he got the money from. my account was swiftly closed.

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post #575

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So I can't use my personal account to receive salaries? Does the bank have to know/care about the details my profession?

Depends on what your "salary" is. In the EU, the banks are obligated to find out where you get your money. And they have an obligation to close your account if they don't get satisfactory answers. "Know your customer". My bank has recently started to ask customers to clarify transfers, and even shoot and send some video of themselves, smiling, and explaining things. I haven't got that myself yet but several colleague…

This is what puzzles me. Why they need an explanation how money flows in their own system? Don't they see all transfers?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #583

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Depends on what your "salary" is. In the EU, the banks are obligated to find out where you get your money. And they have an obligation to close your account if they don't get satisfactory answers. "Know your customer". My bank has recently started to ask customers to clarify transfers, and even shoot and send some video of themselves, smiling, and explaining things. I haven't got that myself yet but several colleague…

In EU there is an anti-money laundering directive, but it’s mostly up to member countries how they’ll implement it. As usual some countries implemented it reasonably while others didn’t.

There are new stricter rules coming in 2020, which is, some theorise, a major motivation behind brexit ...

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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I think this is a US thing. I've tried to do chargebacks before in Europe because a website wouldn't stop billing me, and was told the only thing I could do is cut up the card and get issued a new one.

Which country/processor? This is normally regulated and there are explicit processes around chargebacks. It's surprising/suspicious that you'd ever be refused one.

Switzerland, UBS card.

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I think part of it is a bootstrapping problem. Bitcoin solved an interesting technical problem, so people started using it. Once people started getting interested, companies popped up to sell it, but notably there was a base of users prior to that. By contrast, the barrier to entry for a new system denominated in USD is much higher. People can't really start using it until there's a company around to support it, and…

Bitcoin (and all other cryptocoins) are just not usable for mass transactions. Buying anything with bitcoin takes over 10 minutes, often times over an hour for shops that are paranoid and require 3+ confirmations. During the peak bubble time, I remember buying something with bitcoin taking 2 hours!! This technical problem has not been solved and the "lightning network" just turns exchanges like Coinbase into a bank o…

"Bitcoin (and all other cryptocoins) are just not usable for mass transactions. Buying anything with bitcoin takes over 10 minutes"

Anybody here know the currency Nano? The ORV (Open Representative Voting) consensus mechanism makes it possible to find decentralized consensus in ms without the power-intensive PoW.

For a first impression, you can perform a real on-chain transaction here: https://nanospeed.live/

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Pretty much everything you mentioned under "secured" payments occurs in the US, too.

Why is it so easy to charge back then? If it's secured then they know it was you... Unless you have a police report saying you were coerced, forced, something was stolen?

Because US banks prefer to keep customers happy, unlike EU banks.
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